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There is no fully approved vaccine available in the United States. Most working people now need one to work or they face termination as loss of livelihood Sto

There is no fully approved vaccine available in the United States. Most working people now need one to work or they face termination as loss of livelihood Stop pretending it's not required. We're not all trust finders.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> There is no fully approved vaccine available in the United States. Comirnaty (Pfizer-BioNTech) is fully approved for those 16 and over, and has been since late August.
- hhw3h 5y ago
  From my understanding you can’t get the actual distinct Comirnaty version when you go in and get the shot. They only have EUA Pfizer supplies. Technically the same thing but legally different and therefore has a different liability profile.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Technically the same thing but legally different and therefore has a different liability profile. AFAIK, any different liability profile between an EUA and approved product is moot in the case of COVID vaccines, because they are out of both normal liability regimes and standard vaccine liability regimes and covered by the PREP Act pandemic countermeasures regime which does not make a distinction.
  - iammisc 5y ago
    Yup... A different liability and legal profile.
margalabargala 5y ago
You're mistaken. The Pfizer vaccine is fully approved and available in the United States. Source: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-appr... I never claimed it wasn't required, just that what was required was not experimental.
- bananabiscuit 5y ago
  Has anything else been ”Approved” by the FDA before completion of the respective phase 3 trails? Independently of that, I think there is good reason to doubt the quality of data gathered during this “open beta” of a phase 3 trial. Two people I know are suffering long lasting adverse reactions after being vaccinated. In both cases the doctors do not want to explore the possibility that the effects were caused by the vaccine. It’s not hard to imagine that this is a pretty common situation. Doctors have had their licenses revoked for questioning the safety of the vaccines. Isn’t it obvious this taints the data? If doctors feel the need to stop-crime when they see adverse reactions in order to be able to continue in their profession?
  - iammisc 5y ago
    My aunt can't get the vax because the first dose sent her to the hospital. Now she can't work because of the vax mandates require her to be fully vaxxed
  - dukeofdoom 5y ago
    My Dad who's been to the same cardiologist for years, in my smallish town, can't get a timely appointment now. Was told the doctor is swamped with 50+ new patients.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> There is no fully approved vaccine available in the United States. Comirnaty (Pfizer-BioNTech) is fully approved for those 16 and over, and has been since late August.

hhw3h 5y ago
From my understanding you can’t get the actual distinct Comirnaty version when you go in and get the shot. They only have EUA Pfizer supplies. Technically the same thing but legally different and therefore has a different liability profile.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Technically the same thing but legally different and therefore has a different liability profile. AFAIK, any different liability profile between an EUA and approved product is moot in the case of COVID vaccines, because they are out of both normal liability regimes and standard vaccine liability regimes and covered by the PREP Act pandemic countermeasures regime which does not make a distinction.
- iammisc 5y ago
  Yup... A different liability and legal profile.

margalabargala 5y ago

You're mistaken. The Pfizer vaccine is fully approved and available in the United States. Source: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-appr... I never claimed it wasn't required, just that what was required was not experimental.

bananabiscuit 5y ago
Has anything else been ”Approved” by the FDA before completion of the respective phase 3 trails? Independently of that, I think there is good reason to doubt the quality of data gathered during this “open beta” of a phase 3 trial. Two people I know are suffering long lasting adverse reactions after being vaccinated. In both cases the doctors do not want to explore the possibility that the effects were caused by the vaccine. It’s not hard to imagine that this is a pretty common situation. Doctors have had their licenses revoked for questioning the safety of the vaccines. Isn’t it obvious this taints the data? If doctors feel the need to stop-crime when they see adverse reactions in order to be able to continue in their profession?
- iammisc 5y ago
  My aunt can't get the vax because the first dose sent her to the hospital. Now she can't work because of the vax mandates require her to be fully vaxxed
- dukeofdoom 5y ago
  My Dad who's been to the same cardiologist for years, in my smallish town, can't get a timely appointment now. Was told the doctor is swamped with 50+ new patients.