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"Either mRNA vaccines are best thing since slice bread, or they are completely useless" How about neither? The contention of this general thread is whether imp

"Either mRNA vaccines are best thing since slice bread, or they are completely useless" How about neither? The contention of this general thread is whether imposing vaccine mandates at the cost of destroying livelihoods is just. Sorry, the mRNA vaccine performance is too weak to justify such measures. For all we know (epidemiological data from UK, Singapore) there is not much difference in infection rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated people / populations. The following two statements are consistent: * Covid mRNA vaccines are effective in preventing severe disease and death, especially in adults. * Covid mRNA vaccines are NOT that effective in preventing infection, and pretending they are to justify unheard of drastic vaccine mandates is BadJuju. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1023849/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_40.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/singapore https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/singapore https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=location&hideControls=true&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=USA~SGP~ISR~GBR https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
Vaccine requirements are not that new. The only thing "unheard of" if the scale of them, and well, it matches the scale of the novel pandemic. > "Either mRNA vaccines are best thing since slice bread, or they are completely useless" How about neither? The either/or is not the real situation at all, it's the oversimplified straw man that detractors use. There are numerous examples in this discussion. As for the argument that vaccination against COVID just not effective enough, that doesn't seem very realistic.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago

Vaccine requirements are not that new. The only thing "unheard of" if the scale of them, and well, it matches the scale of the novel pandemic. > "Either mRNA vaccines are best thing since slice bread, or they are completely useless" How about neither? The either/or is not the real situation at all, it's the oversimplified straw man that detractors use. There are numerous examples in this discussion. As for the argument that vaccination against COVID just not effective enough, that doesn't seem very realistic.