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Sure there are. Have you walked into any FAANG office? There are a huge variety of West/East European nationalities and East/Southeast Asians. That's representa

Sure there are. Have you walked into any FAANG office? There are a huge variety of West/East European nationalities and East/Southeast Asians. That's representative of over half the world's population right there. You can probably find an engineer from every single one of the ex-Soviet countries in an NYC Google office. I suppose by diversity you mean the right kind of diversity then?

fleddr 5y ago
"Diversity" can be so confusing and misunderstood. The example I gave, extreme diversity, is not the standard in my country, this tech hub is the exception. I've also worked in teams consisting of only white men. The inconvenient reality is that I couldn't detect a meaningful difference in the quality or quantity of output in either team. As said, I did enjoy the increased diversity from a personal perspective, so there's that. The reason for the roughly equal output is that the team of white men was also diverse. Pointing at a group of people with the same skin and concluding they're all the same is ignorant. It's factually untrue. Likewise, assuming a team is diverse/better due to them having a mix of ethnicities or other aspects, may also not be the case. Don't get me wrong, there are cases where it matters, but also cases where it doesn't.
- zestyping 5y ago
  Just wondering, what country are you in? Do you think this is something unusual about your particular tech hub?
  - fleddr 5y ago
    Netherlands. No, not unusual at all, just adult people cooperating and doing their job.
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femiagbabiaka 5y ago
FAANG is not the tech industry. Are you saying every company has as large and international a recruitment pool as Google? But again, that’s what this convo is really about — the perceptions and prejudices that tech libertarians develop based on the perceived behaviors of less than 1% of employees at 5 tech firms. Hilarious.
- b9a2cab5 5y ago
  In the past I worked at a telecom company which had representation from Russia, Japan, China, India, Britain, and America on my team alone. And I'm guessing you want tech companies to hire more black and Latino workers because that's what every diversity pundit says. You know those demographics are overwhelmingly domestic and not international?
  - femiagbabiaka 5y ago
    My skepticism of the starry eyed and incredibly convenient anecdotes of endless diverse and equitable workplaces from you and others has absolutely nothing to do with my own political beliefs. Your insistence that that is what I want despite the fact that I have not even mentioned specific race based diversity quotas says a lot about your beliefs and prejudices though. Keep tilting at the windmills — I’m sure the world in which nobody mentions politics that don’t align with your worldview or the worldview of their employer will be a better one. And of course, under such a regime, nobody will ever be fired for their political beliefs again, after all the only thing separating us from that are those pesky “diversity pundits.”

fleddr 5y ago

"Diversity" can be so confusing and misunderstood. The example I gave, extreme diversity, is not the standard in my country, this tech hub is the exception. I've also worked in teams consisting of only white men. The inconvenient reality is that I couldn't detect a meaningful difference in the quality or quantity of output in either team. As said, I did enjoy the increased diversity from a personal perspective, so there's that. The reason for the roughly equal output is that the team of white men was also diverse. Pointing at a group of people with the same skin and concluding they're all the same is ignorant. It's factually untrue. Likewise, assuming a team is diverse/better due to them having a mix of ethnicities or other aspects, may also not be the case. Don't get me wrong, there are cases where it matters, but also cases where it doesn't.

zestyping 5y ago
Just wondering, what country are you in? Do you think this is something unusual about your particular tech hub?
- fleddr 5y ago
  Netherlands. No, not unusual at all, just adult people cooperating and doing their job.

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femiagbabiaka 5y ago

FAANG is not the tech industry. Are you saying every company has as large and international a recruitment pool as Google? But again, that’s what this convo is really about — the perceptions and prejudices that tech libertarians develop based on the perceived behaviors of less than 1% of employees at 5 tech firms. Hilarious.

b9a2cab5 5y ago
In the past I worked at a telecom company which had representation from Russia, Japan, China, India, Britain, and America on my team alone. And I'm guessing you want tech companies to hire more black and Latino workers because that's what every diversity pundit says. You know those demographics are overwhelmingly domestic and not international?
- femiagbabiaka 5y ago
  My skepticism of the starry eyed and incredibly convenient anecdotes of endless diverse and equitable workplaces from you and others has absolutely nothing to do with my own political beliefs. Your insistence that that is what I want despite the fact that I have not even mentioned specific race based diversity quotas says a lot about your beliefs and prejudices though. Keep tilting at the windmills — I’m sure the world in which nobody mentions politics that don’t align with your worldview or the worldview of their employer will be a better one. And of course, under such a regime, nobody will ever be fired for their political beliefs again, after all the only thing separating us from that are those pesky “diversity pundits.”