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Do you by complicity [1] mean the critical social justice concept that all white (or people that believe in classical liberal culture) people are complicit in t

Do you by complicity [1] mean the critical social justice concept that all white (or people that believe in classical liberal culture) people are complicit in the maintenance and harms of systemic racism (stopping a perfect equity utopia) and white supremacy (continuation of individualistic western liberalism, instead of collectivist group-based critical social justice)? [1] https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-complicity/ https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-complicity/ Edit: changed terminology from "classical white" to "classical liberal" culture. It diverges from critical social justice dogma by doing this, making my attempt at communicating with a Critical Social Justice adherent less in their language, but is hopefully clearer.

ABeeSea 5y ago
What is “classical white culture?” I’m not aware of any global culture associated with skin color. But feel free to enlighten me.
- Jensson 5y ago
  USA has this strange notion where they group people by skin color and call that race and assume same skin color has same culture.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > USA has this strange notion where they group people by skin color and call that race No, we don’t. (There's two races where one of the common, not-generally-offensive names for each refers to a color, but people identified and identifying with each of those races have a wide range of skin colors, overlapping with those of most other races in both cases.) > and assume same skin color has same culture. No, we generally don’t.
    - asabjorn 5y ago
      >> USA has this strange notion where they group people by skin color and call that race >No, we don’t. (There's two races where one of the common, not-generally-offensive names for each refers to a color, but people identified and identifying with each of those races have a wide range of skin colors, overlapping with those of most other races in both cases.) Correct, most people do not believe that skin color define them or their neighbor. The notion also generally does not make much sense, as Americans are incredibly racially mixed. However, a very aggressive and powerful minority that believe in critical social justice are enforcing racial stereotypes. To say you are defined by race is a bit like saying you are defined by nose size. It is an arbitrary trait amongst many. >> and assume same skin color has same culture. >No, we generally don’t. That is the Coinbase CEOs experience. People generally falsify preferences in public in order to not offend any Critical Social Justice activist that may ruin their life for saying the wrong thing. However, generally Americans are friendly and welcoming people that just want to live a good simple family life next to good neighbors of any creed.
- asabjorn 5y ago
  Because I was communicating with someone I believe is a critical social justice (CSJ) adherent I was trying to use the language from that faith. However, I changed it as it may overall be confusing. What I meant was classical liberal culture, which by CSJ adherents is termed as white culture by perpetrating whiteness. Whiteness is not about color, although its assumed all white people by default are this, but is about you adhering to liberal western culture instead of CSJ dogma.
  - ABeeSea 5y ago
    Lmao, what you just wrote is unhinged. Seek help.
malermeister 5y ago
I'm not as concerned about identity politics as I am about class issues. Bitcoin is an ancap political project designed to make exploitation of the working class, independent of skin color, easier. Identity politics themselves are a neoliberal ploy to distract from the real struggle at hand. Also, what even is "white culture" other than a racist dogwhistle? Whats the common denominator between Russian, Portuguese, Hungarian and English (all white) cultures?
- asabjorn 5y ago
  Exactly. A great thing about cash is that dissenters can use it anonymously in a way that no institution can legislate unmasking the transactors. Crypto should gain that capability To expand upon your point about the greater political moment: these revolutions have never been good for the working class, because those with little power in order to gain a powerful voice need to organize into powerful interest groups using voting (with little cheating) plus free speech plus a way to overthrow a corrupt regime. These groups of people may strongly disagree on other issues, but unite on work. Notice how all of these are under attack by critical social justice activists. Identity politics is just a tool to divide the people into unchosen cuts that are too small to affect change or fight back against a corrupt elite. In the US a minority of people comprising both sides of the “horseshoe” are uniting together to push towards a China like system. No communist (Soviet Russia), fascistic (hitler Germany), communist fascist merge (China) has ever had the means for the working class fight for themselves. In all of these systems the political elite have much greater access to wealth than any other group of people, and the working class paid the cost and lived a basic living style.
  - malermeister 5y ago
    > A great thing about cash is that dissenters can use it anonymously in a way that no institution can legislate unmasking the transactors. Crypto should gain that capability. Replace "dissenters" with "capitalist robber barons" and "great" with "problematic" and I'm with you. >these revolutions have never been good for the working class Cuba has a higher life expectancy than the US TO THIS DAY. From 1953 to 1962 their literacy rate went from 56% to 96%, one of the highest in the world. Yugoslavia had the best passport in the world and Yugoslavs were the only people who could travel freely in both Cold War blocks. You're just parroting propaganda. The main problem is capitalist overlords trying to establish neo-feudalism (Erik Prince and his private army come to mind). The only institution that's strong enough to fight that trend is the state, and taking power over money away from it seals our neo-feudalist fate. Our only chance is to take control of the state before it gets to that, be that through peaceful democratic means like Salvador Allende or through a more direct struggle like Castro or Josip Broz Tito.

ABeeSea 5y ago

What is “classical white culture?” I’m not aware of any global culture associated with skin color. But feel free to enlighten me.

Jensson 5y ago
USA has this strange notion where they group people by skin color and call that race and assume same skin color has same culture.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > USA has this strange notion where they group people by skin color and call that race No, we don’t. (There's two races where one of the common, not-generally-offensive names for each refers to a color, but people identified and identifying with each of those races have a wide range of skin colors, overlapping with those of most other races in both cases.) > and assume same skin color has same culture. No, we generally don’t.
  - asabjorn 5y ago
    >> USA has this strange notion where they group people by skin color and call that race >No, we don’t. (There's two races where one of the common, not-generally-offensive names for each refers to a color, but people identified and identifying with each of those races have a wide range of skin colors, overlapping with those of most other races in both cases.) Correct, most people do not believe that skin color define them or their neighbor. The notion also generally does not make much sense, as Americans are incredibly racially mixed. However, a very aggressive and powerful minority that believe in critical social justice are enforcing racial stereotypes. To say you are defined by race is a bit like saying you are defined by nose size. It is an arbitrary trait amongst many. >> and assume same skin color has same culture. >No, we generally don’t. That is the Coinbase CEOs experience. People generally falsify preferences in public in order to not offend any Critical Social Justice activist that may ruin their life for saying the wrong thing. However, generally Americans are friendly and welcoming people that just want to live a good simple family life next to good neighbors of any creed.
asabjorn 5y ago
Because I was communicating with someone I believe is a critical social justice (CSJ) adherent I was trying to use the language from that faith. However, I changed it as it may overall be confusing. What I meant was classical liberal culture, which by CSJ adherents is termed as white culture by perpetrating whiteness. Whiteness is not about color, although its assumed all white people by default are this, but is about you adhering to liberal western culture instead of CSJ dogma.
- ABeeSea 5y ago
  Lmao, what you just wrote is unhinged. Seek help.

malermeister 5y ago

I'm not as concerned about identity politics as I am about class issues. Bitcoin is an ancap political project designed to make exploitation of the working class, independent of skin color, easier. Identity politics themselves are a neoliberal ploy to distract from the real struggle at hand. Also, what even is "white culture" other than a racist dogwhistle? Whats the common denominator between Russian, Portuguese, Hungarian and English (all white) cultures?

asabjorn 5y ago
Exactly. A great thing about cash is that dissenters can use it anonymously in a way that no institution can legislate unmasking the transactors. Crypto should gain that capability To expand upon your point about the greater political moment: these revolutions have never been good for the working class, because those with little power in order to gain a powerful voice need to organize into powerful interest groups using voting (with little cheating) plus free speech plus a way to overthrow a corrupt regime. These groups of people may strongly disagree on other issues, but unite on work. Notice how all of these are under attack by critical social justice activists. Identity politics is just a tool to divide the people into unchosen cuts that are too small to affect change or fight back against a corrupt elite. In the US a minority of people comprising both sides of the “horseshoe” are uniting together to push towards a China like system. No communist (Soviet Russia), fascistic (hitler Germany), communist fascist merge (China) has ever had the means for the working class fight for themselves. In all of these systems the political elite have much greater access to wealth than any other group of people, and the working class paid the cost and lived a basic living style.
- malermeister 5y ago
  > A great thing about cash is that dissenters can use it anonymously in a way that no institution can legislate unmasking the transactors. Crypto should gain that capability. Replace "dissenters" with "capitalist robber barons" and "great" with "problematic" and I'm with you. >these revolutions have never been good for the working class Cuba has a higher life expectancy than the US TO THIS DAY. From 1953 to 1962 their literacy rate went from 56% to 96%, one of the highest in the world. Yugoslavia had the best passport in the world and Yugoslavs were the only people who could travel freely in both Cold War blocks. You're just parroting propaganda. The main problem is capitalist overlords trying to establish neo-feudalism (Erik Prince and his private army come to mind). The only institution that's strong enough to fight that trend is the state, and taking power over money away from it seals our neo-feudalist fate. Our only chance is to take control of the state before it gets to that, be that through peaceful democratic means like Salvador Allende or through a more direct struggle like Castro or Josip Broz Tito.