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These reports are investigated. The number of deaths reported to VAERS is inconsistent with results of clinical trials for the major COVID vaccines. VAERS was

These reports are investigated. The number of deaths reported to VAERS is inconsistent with results of clinical trials for the major COVID vaccines. VAERS was created as a provision of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) of 1986. The NCVIA was enacted because manufacturers of childhood vaccines could not obtain robust liability insurance.

hunterb123 5y ago
> These reports are investigated. The number of deaths reported to VAERS is inconsistent with results of clinical trials for the major COVID vaccines. A clinical trial !== an investigation into the report. Do you know what the investigation for each of these reports concluded or are you assuming they were "inaccurate". Have you read these detailed submissions of VAERS? It's very hard to conclude anything other than the vaccine does have adverse effects in some people.
- jasonlaramburu 5y ago
  All that can be concluded from VAERS is that some number of people reported these effects after claiming to take the vaccine. It does not imply causation nor can we infer correlation. This is why clinical trials were done before the vaccines received an EUA.
  - hunterb123 5y ago
    It can be proven when they took the vaccine, they don't just "claim it", they took it. Some people suffered shortly after and were otherwise healthy. It's definitely a red flag to look into.
- angelzen 5y ago
  I am as appalled by the mandatory vaccination push as the next guy. That being said, all the data I've seen shows that the risk of covid complications is significantly higher than the risk of covid vaccine complications. If the fear of vaccine adverse effects is the only thing that keeps you from getting a vaccine, consider getting the vaccine.
  - hunterb123 5y ago
    Right, my question though is the small risk of the vaccine worth it if you already have good immunity from a previous infection? Personally I think that's up to the individual to decide depending on their bout with covid and how they feel about their chances with the vaccine. Maybe they've had previous reactions with another vaccine, maybe medical family history, I don't know. That's why I'm against mandates period.
    - angelzen 5y ago
      We are on the same page. Nobody should ever be forced to take a medication they don't want. Some people ride motorcycles on the freeway, or do wingsuit jumps, or surf bigwaves, or ski the backcountry, or freesolo el Capitan. I guess it's more fun than getting a bad case of covid, but either way, more power to them. The only point I'm making is that VAERS data by itself is negligible compared to the effects of covid itself. I understand that it can be frustrating to interact with 2-masks+3-jabs+forever-lockdown+kill-unvaxxed crowd, especially given the political power it wields in the real world, but IMHO the VAERS data does not make a strong case for passing on the vaccine.
      - hunterb123 5y ago
        My only point for VAERS is that there are instances of people reacting to the vaccine. Yes anecdotes should be verified, but they do exist as does the small chance of a reaction. So that small reaction should be enough for people with immunity from a previous infection to say, "hey, that's my reason". Not that they need one :)
        angelzen 5y ago
        > Not that they need one :) Exactly! None of your damn business how other people handle their health. Go cower in the basement if you can't handle a (hopefully temporary) less than 15% increase in the death rate for your age cohort. https://data.cdc.gov/resource/3apk-4u4f.csv https://data.cdc.gov/resource/3apk-4u4f.csv
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hunterb123 5y ago

> These reports are investigated. The number of deaths reported to VAERS is inconsistent with results of clinical trials for the major COVID vaccines. A clinical trial !== an investigation into the report. Do you know what the investigation for each of these reports concluded or are you assuming they were "inaccurate". Have you read these detailed submissions of VAERS? It's very hard to conclude anything other than the vaccine does have adverse effects in some people.

jasonlaramburu 5y ago
All that can be concluded from VAERS is that some number of people reported these effects after claiming to take the vaccine. It does not imply causation nor can we infer correlation. This is why clinical trials were done before the vaccines received an EUA.
- hunterb123 5y ago
  It can be proven when they took the vaccine, they don't just "claim it", they took it. Some people suffered shortly after and were otherwise healthy. It's definitely a red flag to look into.
angelzen 5y ago
I am as appalled by the mandatory vaccination push as the next guy. That being said, all the data I've seen shows that the risk of covid complications is significantly higher than the risk of covid vaccine complications. If the fear of vaccine adverse effects is the only thing that keeps you from getting a vaccine, consider getting the vaccine.
- hunterb123 5y ago
  Right, my question though is the small risk of the vaccine worth it if you already have good immunity from a previous infection? Personally I think that's up to the individual to decide depending on their bout with covid and how they feel about their chances with the vaccine. Maybe they've had previous reactions with another vaccine, maybe medical family history, I don't know. That's why I'm against mandates period.
  - angelzen 5y ago
    We are on the same page. Nobody should ever be forced to take a medication they don't want. Some people ride motorcycles on the freeway, or do wingsuit jumps, or surf bigwaves, or ski the backcountry, or freesolo el Capitan. I guess it's more fun than getting a bad case of covid, but either way, more power to them. The only point I'm making is that VAERS data by itself is negligible compared to the effects of covid itself. I understand that it can be frustrating to interact with 2-masks+3-jabs+forever-lockdown+kill-unvaxxed crowd, especially given the political power it wields in the real world, but IMHO the VAERS data does not make a strong case for passing on the vaccine.
    - hunterb123 5y ago
      My only point for VAERS is that there are instances of people reacting to the vaccine. Yes anecdotes should be verified, but they do exist as does the small chance of a reaction. So that small reaction should be enough for people with immunity from a previous infection to say, "hey, that's my reason". Not that they need one :)
      - angelzen 5y ago
        > Not that they need one :) Exactly! None of your damn business how other people handle their health. Go cower in the basement if you can't handle a (hopefully temporary) less than 15% increase in the death rate for your age cohort. https://data.cdc.gov/resource/3apk-4u4f.csv https://data.cdc.gov/resource/3apk-4u4f.csv
- 5y ago