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This is absolutely not how it works. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the RNA vaccine mechanism of action.

labawi 5y ago
Before claiming other people don't know what they're talking about, it would be polite sufficiently understand it and refrain from making false claims yourself. > When a vaccinated cell dies, the debris will contain many spike proteins and protein fragments, which can then be taken up by a type of immune cell called an antigen-presenting cell. [1] Is it true that host cells need to die for the vaccine to take effect? I'm not entirely sure and couldn't find good sources to verify or disprove OPs claim, but I recall some claims that the vaccine kills cells. > it will lead to the cells death because it produces the foreign protein as instructed until it is killed by your immune system. Different sites have different descriptions, but even [2] mentions: > The priming of CD8 T cells can induce the formation of cytotoxic T lymphocytes (5b) which are capable of directly killing infected cells. Which likely means killing cells presenting the vaccine spikes? Most sites mention some form of cytotoxic action or reponse, which I do not understand, but I take it to mean that some cells are killed. [1] https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/explained-a-visual-guide-to-how-the-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-works-1.4436433 https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/expl... [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7918810/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7918810/
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- daveguy 5y ago
  The Irish Times is not a primary source. Try again. > ... but I recall some claims that the vaccine kills cells. You are spreading your own ignorance.
  - labawi 5y ago
    Have I claimed it is a primary source? I have listed a source, as my time is limited. If you disagree feel free to list a better one. You have listed exactly 0 sources for your claims. By logic, you are the one spreading your own ignorance. I would especially be interested in a source claiming APCs transcribe RNA to present antigens; that antigens enter the cells; and that they (rather than you) are full of it. Note, I think both you and OP presented false claims and misconception. OP probably more, but it is you that will help spread and affirm more anti-vaxers with the - you're wrong, here's what I think, now shut up and take the jab - attitude towards their concerns.

Before claiming other people don't know what they're talking about, it would be polite sufficiently understand it and refrain from making false claims yourself. > When a vaccinated cell dies, the debris will contain many spike proteins and protein fragments, which can then be taken up by a type of immune cell called an antigen-presenting cell. [1] Is it true that host cells need to die for the vaccine to take effect? I'm not entirely sure and couldn't find good sources to verify or disprove OPs claim, but I recall some claims that the vaccine kills cells. > it will lead to the cells death because it produces the foreign protein as instructed until it is killed by your immune system. Different sites have different descriptions, but even [2] mentions: > The priming of CD8 T cells can induce the formation of cytotoxic T lymphocytes (5b) which are capable of directly killing infected cells. Which likely means killing cells presenting the vaccine spikes? Most sites mention some form of cytotoxic action or reponse, which I do not understand, but I take it to mean that some cells are killed. [1] https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/explained-a-visual-guide-to-how-the-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-works-1.4436433 https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/expl... [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7918810/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7918810/

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daveguy 5y ago
The Irish Times is not a primary source. Try again. > ... but I recall some claims that the vaccine kills cells. You are spreading your own ignorance.
- labawi 5y ago
  Have I claimed it is a primary source? I have listed a source, as my time is limited. If you disagree feel free to list a better one. You have listed exactly 0 sources for your claims. By logic, you are the one spreading your own ignorance. I would especially be interested in a source claiming APCs transcribe RNA to present antigens; that antigens enter the cells; and that they (rather than you) are full of it. Note, I think both you and OP presented false claims and misconception. OP probably more, but it is you that will help spread and affirm more anti-vaxers with the - you're wrong, here's what I think, now shut up and take the jab - attitude towards their concerns.