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I'd just be careful with that. To be clear: I'm a huge fan of vaccine mandates. I'm less sure about charging people with crimes related to public health. For r

by xxpor 5y ago

I'd just be careful with that. To be clear: I'm a huge fan of vaccine mandates. I'm less sure about charging people with crimes related to public health. For reference: HIV/AIDS caused 4.7 deaths per 100K people with the virus in 2017. https://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/2020/hiv-related-death-rate-press-release.html https://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/2020/hiv-related-death-... Covid has caused 216.36 deaths per 100K of the total population in the US https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality Should anyone who breaks quarantine after testing positive be charged with a felony? Eh. Having a felony on your record is extremely serious. Should someone be able to sue the person who infected them for all healthcare costs related to HIV going forward on the other hand? Absolutely.

chuckee 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#Prognosis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#Prognosis: HAART and appropriate prevention of opportunistic infections reduces the death rate by 80%, and raises the life expectancy for a newly diagnosed young adult to 20–50 years. This is between two thirds and nearly that of the general population. If treatment is started late in the infection, prognosis is not as good: for example, if treatment is begun following the diagnosis of AIDS, life expectancy is ~10–40 years. It seems in the best case scenario of early detection and treatment, HIV will shorten your life by a decade or more, so the 4.7/100K death rate is highly suspect. If I understand that paragraph correctly, if you wait until symptoms appear, you're already in the 10-40 years life expectancy group - so another ~decade lost. As for breaking quarantine - yes, a felony is extremely serious. But so is knowingly exposing others to a 1/200 chance of death (or whatever the current risk is). So I do think a felony is appropriate - but the felony is for (non-consensualy) exposing others. If one can break quarantine without doing so (by e.g. walking alone on the beach, or in the woods, when the quarantine order mandated staying at home), then the crime should be appropriately reduced, just as it would be for someone with HIV whose medication has rendered the risk of transmission negligible/zero. I should also point out that quarantine is a much bigger imposition on personal liberty, than a duty to inform sexual partners of any STDs you carry.

by xxpor 5y ago

chuckee 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#Prognosis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS#Prognosis: HAART and appropriate prevention of opportunistic infections reduces the death rate by 80%, and raises the life expectancy for a newly diagnosed young adult to 20–50 years. This is between two thirds and nearly that of the general population. If treatment is started late in the infection, prognosis is not as good: for example, if treatment is begun following the diagnosis of AIDS, life expectancy is ~10–40 years. It seems in the best case scenario of early detection and treatment, HIV will shorten your life by a decade or more, so the 4.7/100K death rate is highly suspect. If I understand that paragraph correctly, if you wait until symptoms appear, you're already in the 10-40 years life expectancy group - so another ~decade lost. As for breaking quarantine - yes, a felony is extremely serious. But so is knowingly exposing others to a 1/200 chance of death (or whatever the current risk is). So I do think a felony is appropriate - but the felony is for (non-consensualy) exposing others. If one can break quarantine without doing so (by e.g. walking alone on the beach, or in the woods, when the quarantine order mandated staying at home), then the crime should be appropriately reduced, just as it would be for someone with HIV whose medication has rendered the risk of transmission negligible/zero. I should also point out that quarantine is a much bigger imposition on personal liberty, than a duty to inform sexual partners of any STDs you carry.