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natural immunity offers greater protection than the vaccine, you're thinking of combined vaccine + natural immunity. vaccine side effects range from mild to de

natural immunity offers greater protection than the vaccine, you're thinking of combined vaccine + natural immunity. vaccine side effects range from mild to death. https://openvaers.com/covid-data https://openvaers.com/covid-data

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
OpenVaers is a public reporting tool - anyone can type data into there. Unfiltered, it is basically junk, and claiming it as data against the COVID-19 vaccines is dishonest scaremongering. https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/scicheck-viral-posts-misuse-vaers-data-to-make-false-claims-about-covid-19-vaccines/ https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/scicheck-viral-posts-misus...
- hunterb123 5y ago
  Hospitals directly report to VAERS as well. We've had this system in place for a reason, you need a way to track anecdotal reactions in individuals that suffer extreme reactions or death that were otherwise healthy. There's countless instances of healthy people dying right after the shot, doesn't matter if you wish it away. Yes it may be a small amount percentage wise, but the more you scale the more absolute deaths you get.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
    > Hospitals directly report to VAERS as well. We've had this system in place for a reason Correct, and this is not the reason. You are misusing it. > There's countless instances of healthy people dying right after the shot, Calling BS on that, it's not "Countless", far from it. And it needs to be compared to the - far worse - risks of COVID. This statement is dishonest scaremongering.
jasonlaramburu 5y ago
>natural immunity offers greater protection than the vaccine, you're thinking of combined vaccine + natural immunity. No. There is no consensus on the duration of natural immunity, nor do we know how effective it is against variants. We do have confidence in the duration of vaccine-derived immunity and its performance against existing variants (https://www.newsweek.com/natural-covid-immunity-delta-variant-protect-vaccines-1635216 https://www.newsweek.com/natural-covid-immunity-delta-varian...). >vaccine side effects range from mild to death You've not provided convincing evidence of this. From the VAERS website: VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable.
- hunterb123 5y ago
  Maybe someone should investigate each of these reports :) Can I ask you why you think we have the VAERS system?
  - jasonlaramburu 5y ago
    These reports are investigated. The number of deaths reported to VAERS is inconsistent with results of clinical trials for the major COVID vaccines. VAERS was created as a provision of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) of 1986. The NCVIA was enacted because manufacturers of childhood vaccines could not obtain robust liability insurance.
    - hunterb123 5y ago
      > These reports are investigated. The number of deaths reported to VAERS is inconsistent with results of clinical trials for the major COVID vaccines. A clinical trial !== an investigation into the report. Do you know what the investigation for each of these reports concluded or are you assuming they were "inaccurate". Have you read these detailed submissions of VAERS? It's very hard to conclude anything other than the vaccine does have adverse effects in some people.
      - jasonlaramburu 5y ago
        All that can be concluded from VAERS is that some number of people reported these effects after claiming to take the vaccine. It does not imply causation nor can we infer correlation. This is why clinical trials were done before the vaccines received an EUA.
        hunterb123 5y ago
        It can be proven when they took the vaccine, they don't just "claim it", they took it. Some people suffered shortly after and were otherwise healthy. It's definitely a red flag to look into.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago

OpenVaers is a public reporting tool - anyone can type data into there. Unfiltered, it is basically junk, and claiming it as data against the COVID-19 vaccines is dishonest scaremongering. https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/scicheck-viral-posts-misuse-vaers-data-to-make-false-claims-about-covid-19-vaccines/ https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/scicheck-viral-posts-misus...

hunterb123 5y ago
Hospitals directly report to VAERS as well. We've had this system in place for a reason, you need a way to track anecdotal reactions in individuals that suffer extreme reactions or death that were otherwise healthy. There's countless instances of healthy people dying right after the shot, doesn't matter if you wish it away. Yes it may be a small amount percentage wise, but the more you scale the more absolute deaths you get.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  > Hospitals directly report to VAERS as well. We've had this system in place for a reason Correct, and this is not the reason. You are misusing it. > There's countless instances of healthy people dying right after the shot, Calling BS on that, it's not "Countless", far from it. And it needs to be compared to the - far worse - risks of COVID. This statement is dishonest scaremongering.

jasonlaramburu 5y ago

>natural immunity offers greater protection than the vaccine, you're thinking of combined vaccine + natural immunity. No. There is no consensus on the duration of natural immunity, nor do we know how effective it is against variants. We do have confidence in the duration of vaccine-derived immunity and its performance against existing variants (https://www.newsweek.com/natural-covid-immunity-delta-variant-protect-vaccines-1635216 https://www.newsweek.com/natural-covid-immunity-delta-varian...). >vaccine side effects range from mild to death You've not provided convincing evidence of this. From the VAERS website: VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable.

hunterb123 5y ago
Maybe someone should investigate each of these reports :) Can I ask you why you think we have the VAERS system?
- jasonlaramburu 5y ago
  These reports are investigated. The number of deaths reported to VAERS is inconsistent with results of clinical trials for the major COVID vaccines. VAERS was created as a provision of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) of 1986. The NCVIA was enacted because manufacturers of childhood vaccines could not obtain robust liability insurance.
  - hunterb123 5y ago
    > These reports are investigated. The number of deaths reported to VAERS is inconsistent with results of clinical trials for the major COVID vaccines. A clinical trial !== an investigation into the report. Do you know what the investigation for each of these reports concluded or are you assuming they were "inaccurate". Have you read these detailed submissions of VAERS? It's very hard to conclude anything other than the vaccine does have adverse effects in some people.
    - jasonlaramburu 5y ago
      All that can be concluded from VAERS is that some number of people reported these effects after claiming to take the vaccine. It does not imply causation nor can we infer correlation. This is why clinical trials were done before the vaccines received an EUA.
      - hunterb123 5y ago
        It can be proven when they took the vaccine, they don't just "claim it", they took it. Some people suffered shortly after and were otherwise healthy. It's definitely a red flag to look into.