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Can you show any evidence to your claim that natural immunity is superior?

kbelder 5y ago
I would think that's the default position, right? Vaccines are simply a trigger to try to replicate what happens during normal disease exposure. A vaccine that's as effective as natural immunity is a great success.
- antoniuschan99 5y ago
  I remember seeing a few articles on the mainstream Reddit boards (/r/coronavirus and /r/medicine) studies coming out of Israel and Japan. But some say it's not peer reviewed yet? https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on...
Factorium 5y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bamaEMftg4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bamaEMftg4 Dr John Campbell
OrvalWintermute 5y ago
> Can you show any evidence to your claim that natural immunity is superior? Sure [1] this is pretty well known at this point. From an elementary perspective, this is simple math Spike-Vaccines = Antibody to Protein spike from original Covid Spike-Vaccine Booster = Antibody to Protein spike from whichever variant Infection Immunity = Antibodies to spike & other proteins inside the virus & the "Reverse Transcription Defense" [2]. The reverse transcription defense is not well-known at this point, but it is believed to be one of the sources of endogenous viruses found on the human genome (EHV) One of the papers I read on it stated paraphrased 'these other proteins we see antibodies for in recovered individuals are potential vaccine targets for future vaccines'. However, at this point we do not yet have a vaccine that contains the respective strengths of previous infection based immunity. [1] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... [2] https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.12.422516v1.full-text https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.12.422516v1....

I would think that's the default position, right? Vaccines are simply a trigger to try to replicate what happens during normal disease exposure. A vaccine that's as effective as natural immunity is a great success.

antoniuschan99 5y ago
I remember seeing a few articles on the mainstream Reddit boards (/r/coronavirus and /r/medicine) studies coming out of Israel and Japan. But some say it's not peer reviewed yet? https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on...

Factorium 5y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bamaEMftg4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bamaEMftg4 Dr John Campbell

OrvalWintermute 5y ago

> Can you show any evidence to your claim that natural immunity is superior? Sure [1] this is pretty well known at this point. From an elementary perspective, this is simple math Spike-Vaccines = Antibody to Protein spike from original Covid Spike-Vaccine Booster = Antibody to Protein spike from whichever variant Infection Immunity = Antibodies to spike & other proteins inside the virus & the "Reverse Transcription Defense" [2]. The reverse transcription defense is not well-known at this point, but it is believed to be one of the sources of endogenous viruses found on the human genome (EHV) One of the papers I read on it stated paraphrased 'these other proteins we see antibodies for in recovered individuals are potential vaccine targets for future vaccines'. However, at this point we do not yet have a vaccine that contains the respective strengths of previous infection based immunity. [1] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... [2] https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.12.422516v1.full-text https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.12.422516v1....