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Isn't 99.3% enough for herd immunity? I really wish the US would recognize natural immunity from those recovered from Covid instead of filtering out everyone wh

Isn't 99.3% enough for herd immunity? I really wish the US would recognize natural immunity from those recovered from Covid instead of filtering out everyone who doesn't want to subscribe to a endless 2x/year vaccine passport program, which seems to be more beneficial to Big Pharma than the average person.

Arnt 5y ago
Herd immunity only applies when the people in the set seldom/never meet people outside the set. If the people in the set go home and meet others once per day, then that's not herd immunity. And a lawyer may reasonably argue that some patient definitely should get $256 million, and the hospital may reasonably want to avoid that liability.
- angelzen 5y ago
  This logic is disconnected from reality: * There is no reasonable way to pinpoint the cause of a covid infection to a single person. * There is no reasonable assumption that an unvaccinated person is infected with covid at all times. * There is no reasonable assumption that only unvaccinated persons can transmit covid.
  - Arnt 5y ago
    Well, let's see. When I was in hospital a few years ago, I met a total of perhaps 15 people during a week. Pinpointing the cause of an infection would have required testing those 15. Also, there's good evidence that the vaccines dampen transmission. Random quote (from Nature): "…people who become infected with the Delta variant are less likely to pass the virus to their close contacts if they have already had a COVID-19 vaccine than if they haven’t1. But that protective effect is relatively small, and…" and basically the effect is small but measurably present.
lamontcg 5y ago
False dichotomy argument. I'm perfectly happy if you get vaccinated at least once if you've been positive before, and largely leave any future boosters up to the individual. Although since we're talking about heathcare in the title article, direct patient care should probably be vaccinated yearly. That's about it though.

Arnt 5y ago

Herd immunity only applies when the people in the set seldom/never meet people outside the set. If the people in the set go home and meet others once per day, then that's not herd immunity. And a lawyer may reasonably argue that some patient definitely should get $256 million, and the hospital may reasonably want to avoid that liability.

angelzen 5y ago
This logic is disconnected from reality: * There is no reasonable way to pinpoint the cause of a covid infection to a single person. * There is no reasonable assumption that an unvaccinated person is infected with covid at all times. * There is no reasonable assumption that only unvaccinated persons can transmit covid.
- Arnt 5y ago
  Well, let's see. When I was in hospital a few years ago, I met a total of perhaps 15 people during a week. Pinpointing the cause of an infection would have required testing those 15. Also, there's good evidence that the vaccines dampen transmission. Random quote (from Nature): "…people who become infected with the Delta variant are less likely to pass the virus to their close contacts if they have already had a COVID-19 vaccine than if they haven’t1. But that protective effect is relatively small, and…" and basically the effect is small but measurably present.

lamontcg 5y ago

False dichotomy argument. I'm perfectly happy if you get vaccinated at least once if you've been positive before, and largely leave any future boosters up to the individual. Although since we're talking about heathcare in the title article, direct patient care should probably be vaccinated yearly. That's about it though.