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Sure, but that's a very thin reed on which to hang mandates and vaccine passports. Just yesterday the POTUS was saying that being vaccinated means "you are prot

Sure, but that's a very thin reed on which to hang mandates and vaccine passports. Just yesterday the POTUS was saying that being vaccinated means "you are protected and can't spread" COVID as part of his case for them: https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1446211115738931209 https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1446211115738931209

Arnt 5y ago
Where I live, protecting the hospitals from overload was the main reason given for the lockdowns that started in March 2020. The vaccine succeeds in protecting hospitals (the rate of hospitalisation is now about one sixth of what it was at comparable infection incidence at the end of last year), so it maybe a thin reed but it's a reed that does the job.
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  The hospitals are in much worse shape after terminating all the unvaccinated staff. When they "give" you that as the reason for what they are doing, they are lying. If that was truly their motivation they would have increased hospital capacity, not reduced it. And now that "the hospitals are overwhelmed" is justification in the public's mind for sweeping emergency powers, you should expect them to be some level of 'overwhelmed' (at least, according to the press) in perpetuity.
  - zibzab 5y ago
    OP said hospitalizations has reduced to 1/6th. Unless you can prove to me that 5 of every 6 doctors and nurses have quite due to vaccin mandates i think we are in better shapes as before (even ignoring that anti-vaxxers in hospitals act as superspreaders)
    - AndrewBissell 5y ago
      Covid hospitalizations were reduced to 1/6th. Are those the only kinds of hospitalizations?
      - ericb 5y ago
        No, but they are the only ones with high hospital demand currently being driven by an explosive contagious vector.
      - Arnt 5y ago
        No. But that's not the key question. The key question is: Did this reduction reduce the hospital requirement forecasts such that hospitals have free beds and can handle sudden and big accidents? An aircraft crash, a derailed train, a wave of food poisonings? And that is now the case, since the vaccines protect so well against severe effects.
- Proven 5y ago
  Many people have built natural immunity since March 2020, so now vs then is not comparable at all.
- might9900 5y ago
  This. I'm a doc covering our ICU and I'm seeing an endless stream of Delta COVID-19 patients which are 95% unvaccinated and younger than in 2020. There are many socio-politico-scientific issues/stories surrounding SARS-CoV-2 but, in my opinion, the most dangerous impact of this virus is the ability it has to massively deplete medical resources in a region. In real-time, SARS-CoV-2 is saturating our beds/resources and burning-out staff. No staff have been dismissed from our healthcare system (~20 hospitals) due to unvaccinated status and nurse staffing has been critical since spring of 2020. Considerable effort is expended daily just to find staffed beds for patients within our hospital (or within our region if we are at max). (Have been a long-time reader of HN and this is my first post. Just want to thank everyone for a great community over the years. Well done.)

Arnt 5y ago

Where I live, protecting the hospitals from overload was the main reason given for the lockdowns that started in March 2020. The vaccine succeeds in protecting hospitals (the rate of hospitalisation is now about one sixth of what it was at comparable infection incidence at the end of last year), so it maybe a thin reed but it's a reed that does the job.

AndrewBissell 5y ago
The hospitals are in much worse shape after terminating all the unvaccinated staff. When they "give" you that as the reason for what they are doing, they are lying. If that was truly their motivation they would have increased hospital capacity, not reduced it. And now that "the hospitals are overwhelmed" is justification in the public's mind for sweeping emergency powers, you should expect them to be some level of 'overwhelmed' (at least, according to the press) in perpetuity.
- zibzab 5y ago
  OP said hospitalizations has reduced to 1/6th. Unless you can prove to me that 5 of every 6 doctors and nurses have quite due to vaccin mandates i think we are in better shapes as before (even ignoring that anti-vaxxers in hospitals act as superspreaders)
  - AndrewBissell 5y ago
    Covid hospitalizations were reduced to 1/6th. Are those the only kinds of hospitalizations?
    - ericb 5y ago
      No, but they are the only ones with high hospital demand currently being driven by an explosive contagious vector.
    - Arnt 5y ago
      No. But that's not the key question. The key question is: Did this reduction reduce the hospital requirement forecasts such that hospitals have free beds and can handle sudden and big accidents? An aircraft crash, a derailed train, a wave of food poisonings? And that is now the case, since the vaccines protect so well against severe effects.
Proven 5y ago
Many people have built natural immunity since March 2020, so now vs then is not comparable at all.
might9900 5y ago
This. I'm a doc covering our ICU and I'm seeing an endless stream of Delta COVID-19 patients which are 95% unvaccinated and younger than in 2020. There are many socio-politico-scientific issues/stories surrounding SARS-CoV-2 but, in my opinion, the most dangerous impact of this virus is the ability it has to massively deplete medical resources in a region. In real-time, SARS-CoV-2 is saturating our beds/resources and burning-out staff. No staff have been dismissed from our healthcare system (~20 hospitals) due to unvaccinated status and nurse staffing has been critical since spring of 2020. Considerable effort is expended daily just to find staffed beds for patients within our hospital (or within our region if we are at max). (Have been a long-time reader of HN and this is my first post. Just want to thank everyone for a great community over the years. Well done.)