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War is a messy business. There is no way to wage war without killing innocent people. The difference between the Nazi's an the Americans or the Israelis is the

War is a messy business. There is no way to wage war without killing innocent people. The difference between the Nazi's an the Americans or the Israelis is the former did it on purpose while the latter take every reasonable precaution to avoid killing the wrong people. The other side, the Palestinians or the Taliban actively target innocent people. Yet I don't hear you complaining about that - maybe you're not impartial here.

ben_w 5y ago
“The Palestinians” are not even a unified polity: """officially governed by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and claiming the West Bank and Gaza Strip with Jerusalem as the designated capital; in practice, however, only partial administrative control is held over the 167 "islands" in the West Bank, and Gaza is ruled by a rival government (Hamas). The entirety of territory claimed by the State of Palestine has been occupied since 1948, first by Egypt (Gaza Strip) and Jordan (West Bank) and then by Israel after the Six-Day War in 1967.""" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine I don’t know how much I don’t know about the conflict; about who (if anyone) is using Palestine as a proxy to attack Israel without the risk of direct retaliation; about the proportionality or otherwise of IDF responses; about the legality or otherwise under international law of any given village or town in Palestinian territory created and occupied by what are called “Israeli settlers” in some newspapers, nor even do I know if those settlers are or are not officially endorsed by the government of Israel. Everything I learn about this, at every level of detail, has been a surprise to me, literally everything, starting with “antisemitism wasn’t eliminated with the death of Hitler”. Yet: treating “the Palestinians” as a unified bloc like “the Taliban” or “the USA” seems unhelpful in this case.
- eloff 5y ago
  There's a limit to how detailed in going to be in a comment, but when I said Palestinians here I was referring to the terrorist organization of Hamas that runs the government in Gaza. Despite how it seems to have rubbed some people the wrong way, I stand by my comment. You can tell the "good guys" by the way they try to avoid hurting innocent people. There is no side without fault in a conflict, and war is indeed a messy business.

ben_w 5y ago

“The Palestinians” are not even a unified polity: """officially governed by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and claiming the West Bank and Gaza Strip with Jerusalem as the designated capital; in practice, however, only partial administrative control is held over the 167 "islands" in the West Bank, and Gaza is ruled by a rival government (Hamas). The entirety of territory claimed by the State of Palestine has been occupied since 1948, first by Egypt (Gaza Strip) and Jordan (West Bank) and then by Israel after the Six-Day War in 1967.""" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine I don’t know how much I don’t know about the conflict; about who (if anyone) is using Palestine as a proxy to attack Israel without the risk of direct retaliation; about the proportionality or otherwise of IDF responses; about the legality or otherwise under international law of any given village or town in Palestinian territory created and occupied by what are called “Israeli settlers” in some newspapers, nor even do I know if those settlers are or are not officially endorsed by the government of Israel. Everything I learn about this, at every level of detail, has been a surprise to me, literally everything, starting with “antisemitism wasn’t eliminated with the death of Hitler”. Yet: treating “the Palestinians” as a unified bloc like “the Taliban” or “the USA” seems unhelpful in this case.

eloff 5y ago
There's a limit to how detailed in going to be in a comment, but when I said Palestinians here I was referring to the terrorist organization of Hamas that runs the government in Gaza. Despite how it seems to have rubbed some people the wrong way, I stand by my comment. You can tell the "good guys" by the way they try to avoid hurting innocent people. There is no side without fault in a conflict, and war is indeed a messy business.