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Joey's pizza did have a web presence before Facebook. Facebook is "the latest no-code platform". If Joey's pizza can get an actual, physical "Joey's pizza" neon

by dTal 5y ago

Joey's pizza did have a web presence before Facebook. Facebook is "the latest no-code platform". If Joey's pizza can get an actual, physical "Joey's pizza" neon sign constructed, they can make a web page. Let's not kid ourselves - it's extremely easy. People were doing it in their bedrooms in the 90s.

quaintdev 5y ago
Its 2021 and one should be able to deploy websites in one click from their mobile phones.
- qwerty456127 5y ago
  For at least the past 100 years it has not been a problem to give a person a button or a phone to let them solve any problem with a single press/call (the US and Russia presidents even are supposed to have buttons and phones to exterminate the entire life on Earth). The only thing to consider has always been at what price (in a broad sense, not just money) it came. It still is the thing to consider although this has became less obvious and departed more away from the money part in the cost looking from the perspective of the end user.
  - johnisgood 5y ago
    Would you mind helping me see the equivalence? Buttons here, or buttons there. Is it the amount of buttons? The size of the buttons?! All I can think of is the amount of people being shown per button.
School-Cotton 5y ago
> Joey's pizza did have a web presence before Facebook. My recollection is that far fewer businesses had any web presence in 2004. Big professional ones did, but random family-owned restaurants usually didn’t.
- Swenrekcah 5y ago
  That may be dependent on the location. In my country basically every business had an online presence by 2004. They certainly would by now, even if Facebook didn’t exist.
  - School-Cotton 5y ago
    Interesting. Do you mind saying what country?
    - alistairSH 5y ago
      USA (Northern VA, specifically). Most of thee places I dine regularly have a web presence. About half, it's just a simple home page with a pdf menu. About half have some sort of online reservation or ordering platform integrated.
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- handrous 5y ago
  Facebook didn't start eating the small business site market until well after 2004. More like 2010 or later. Some places that definitely would have a site otherwise, don't, but have Facebook instead. Some have a site but neglect it, so if you want current info you have to check their Facebook page. Others had sites and let them lapse because FB took over that role. Hell, the local public schools are like that, too. Have sites, send emails and texts and such, but FB is absolutely the best channel to get school & district news from.
  - tdeck 5y ago
    An even more unfortunate trend is the very small businesses that only accept orders by Instagram message. Believe it or not I've seen this at two different local food delivery businesses that I wanted to support but couldn't because I don't have an Instagram account.
stephenhuey 5y ago
Exactly! They don't have to spend thousands on a super spiffy custom job if they don't want to. These days, if they can pay rent on their building or buy equipment for their business, they can afford a few bucks and depending on how much effort they want to put in, they can put up some basic info on SimpleSite, Wix, the managed Wordpress.com or something similar.
mensetmanusman 5y ago
I can assure you having helped small businesses in todays world that running your own website in the era of nation states battling to set up botnets has dramatically increased the complexity of what this entails today versus in the 90s. Immediately, when we connect web servers they are pentested and port scanned.
- lftl 5y ago
  It doesn't really feel any different to me than in the 90s. You would get port scanned then too. Keep your software up to date, and keep a reasonably tight config and you won't have any trouble running a basic website. Especially for something like Joey's pizza just make it a static site and you'll barely have to worry about anything.
  - Spivak 5y ago
    I mean for a static site sure, but Joey wants to also have a news feed to post events, specials, and new menu items. Joey also wants to let customers comment on those posts with questions and general excitement, or to reach out directly in a way that isn’t a phone line. The issue is that Facebook and IG are really really good business and marketing platforms. That and ads is basically their whole reason for existence. And you get a huge audience, organic discovery, and moderation for free. Every restaurant in my city’s primary social media presence is on IG. Unless you’re a huge chain and have a marketing department that’s basically all they get that isn’t mayyyybe a local mailing, or a sponsored story in a local newspaper or food blog. Don’t get me wrong, I think you should have your own website for nothing else other than to lend some legitimacy when people Google your name but if you could only have one I would probably skip the website. “The Web” from a business standpoint is just Google’s centralized platform at this point since the thing that matters is audience and discovery.
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- electricEmu 5y ago
  Funny, nmap was released in 1997.
merrywhether 5y ago
Also remember that they are probably going to be setting up a Facebook presence either way (for communicating with and advertising to customers), so the website work is on top of the Facebook effort when talking about level of effort.
AniseAbyss 5y ago
Building a website or app is easy. Getting people to use it is another. Every time I order food the restaurant puts a flyer in there begging me to use their own site. Meanwhile "Just Eat Takeaway confirms it’s gobbling up Grubhub in a $7.3B deal".
AlwaysRock 5y ago
100%. There were/are other options. FB just makes it slightly easier because many business owners already know how to use FB because they have personal accounts. I hate when a company only have FB. I'll take an okay website over a decent FB page.
tdeck 5y ago
Just to reinforce this point, here are 3 mom-and-pop pizza places off the top of my head. All of them have a website: https://palermospizzamenu.com/ https://palermospizzamenu.com/ https://www.michaelsitalianrestaurantdelimenu.com/ https://www.michaelsitalianrestaurantdelimenu.com/ https://goldengateindian.com/ https://goldengateindian.com/

by dTal 5y ago

quaintdev 5y ago

Its 2021 and one should be able to deploy websites in one click from their mobile phones.

qwerty456127 5y ago
For at least the past 100 years it has not been a problem to give a person a button or a phone to let them solve any problem with a single press/call (the US and Russia presidents even are supposed to have buttons and phones to exterminate the entire life on Earth). The only thing to consider has always been at what price (in a broad sense, not just money) it came. It still is the thing to consider although this has became less obvious and departed more away from the money part in the cost looking from the perspective of the end user.
- johnisgood 5y ago
  Would you mind helping me see the equivalence? Buttons here, or buttons there. Is it the amount of buttons? The size of the buttons?! All I can think of is the amount of people being shown per button.

School-Cotton 5y ago

> Joey's pizza did have a web presence before Facebook. My recollection is that far fewer businesses had any web presence in 2004. Big professional ones did, but random family-owned restaurants usually didn’t.

Swenrekcah 5y ago
That may be dependent on the location. In my country basically every business had an online presence by 2004. They certainly would by now, even if Facebook didn’t exist.
- School-Cotton 5y ago
  Interesting. Do you mind saying what country?
  - alistairSH 5y ago
    USA (Northern VA, specifically). Most of thee places I dine regularly have a web presence. About half, it's just a simple home page with a pdf menu. About half have some sort of online reservation or ordering platform integrated.
    - deleted 5y ago
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handrous 5y ago
Facebook didn't start eating the small business site market until well after 2004. More like 2010 or later. Some places that definitely would have a site otherwise, don't, but have Facebook instead. Some have a site but neglect it, so if you want current info you have to check their Facebook page. Others had sites and let them lapse because FB took over that role. Hell, the local public schools are like that, too. Have sites, send emails and texts and such, but FB is absolutely the best channel to get school & district news from.
- tdeck 5y ago
  An even more unfortunate trend is the very small businesses that only accept orders by Instagram message. Believe it or not I've seen this at two different local food delivery businesses that I wanted to support but couldn't because I don't have an Instagram account.

stephenhuey 5y ago

Exactly! They don't have to spend thousands on a super spiffy custom job if they don't want to. These days, if they can pay rent on their building or buy equipment for their business, they can afford a few bucks and depending on how much effort they want to put in, they can put up some basic info on SimpleSite, Wix, the managed Wordpress.com or something similar.

mensetmanusman 5y ago

I can assure you having helped small businesses in todays world that running your own website in the era of nation states battling to set up botnets has dramatically increased the complexity of what this entails today versus in the 90s. Immediately, when we connect web servers they are pentested and port scanned.

lftl 5y ago
It doesn't really feel any different to me than in the 90s. You would get port scanned then too. Keep your software up to date, and keep a reasonably tight config and you won't have any trouble running a basic website. Especially for something like Joey's pizza just make it a static site and you'll barely have to worry about anything.
- Spivak 5y ago
  I mean for a static site sure, but Joey wants to also have a news feed to post events, specials, and new menu items. Joey also wants to let customers comment on those posts with questions and general excitement, or to reach out directly in a way that isn’t a phone line. The issue is that Facebook and IG are really really good business and marketing platforms. That and ads is basically their whole reason for existence. And you get a huge audience, organic discovery, and moderation for free. Every restaurant in my city’s primary social media presence is on IG. Unless you’re a huge chain and have a marketing department that’s basically all they get that isn’t mayyyybe a local mailing, or a sponsored story in a local newspaper or food blog. Don’t get me wrong, I think you should have your own website for nothing else other than to lend some legitimacy when people Google your name but if you could only have one I would probably skip the website. “The Web” from a business standpoint is just Google’s centralized platform at this point since the thing that matters is audience and discovery.
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electricEmu 5y ago
Funny, nmap was released in 1997.

merrywhether 5y ago

Also remember that they are probably going to be setting up a Facebook presence either way (for communicating with and advertising to customers), so the website work is on top of the Facebook effort when talking about level of effort.

AniseAbyss 5y ago

Building a website or app is easy. Getting people to use it is another. Every time I order food the restaurant puts a flyer in there begging me to use their own site. Meanwhile "Just Eat Takeaway confirms it’s gobbling up Grubhub in a $7.3B deal".

AlwaysRock 5y ago

100%. There were/are other options. FB just makes it slightly easier because many business owners already know how to use FB because they have personal accounts. I hate when a company only have FB. I'll take an okay website over a decent FB page.

tdeck 5y ago

Just to reinforce this point, here are 3 mom-and-pop pizza places off the top of my head. All of them have a website: https://palermospizzamenu.com/ https://palermospizzamenu.com/ https://www.michaelsitalianrestaurantdelimenu.com/ https://www.michaelsitalianrestaurantdelimenu.com/ https://goldengateindian.com/ https://goldengateindian.com/