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> I run SwayWM on NixOS and using Linux any other way feels archaic now. I just use Mac OS X and don't spend hours configuring my machine / talking about it...

> I run SwayWM on NixOS and using Linux any other way feels archaic now. I just use Mac OS X and don't spend hours configuring my machine / talking about it... lol

pkulak 5y ago
Last time I installed MacOS, I couldn't even ls in a terminal without digging through settings and permissions (I accidentally hit cancel on the pop-up). It used to take me days to beat a new MacOS install into submission, let alone hours.
- wahern 5y ago
  > I accidentally hit cancel on the pop-up Modal dialogue strikes again?
jchw 5y ago
I can’t stand macOS no matter how much I try. It feels like that GIF of Sideshow Bob stepping on rakes but in UX form. I have genuinely tried, since Mac OS X 10.4 to be exact, every few years, and I do actually still use macOS, but it would be impossible to use it as my daily driver. Anyways, you didn’t qualify “hours” as being relative to any other timeframe, so I’m not sure if you literally mean you’ve spent less than one hour configuring your machine and/or discussing its configuration. However, you seem to wear it as almost a badge of pride, and I even sense some condescension, and I find that pretty silly. That’s like being proud of not learning another language. If you wanted to argue my time investment was worthless, you would have to know it gained me nothing versus just using macOS. However, given that I decide what’s worth my time, this is honestly pointless. I actually enjoy trying to improve my setup, especially in ways that makes my life easier. It’s easy to see a bunch of Linux nerds talking about text editors or WMs and conclude it’s a waste of time, but I disagree. It’s only a waste of time if you have no interest in exploring it. As for the tangible benefits, I may very well have more macOS experience than you do Linux experience, so from what standpoint are you qualified to even judge that, even that angle were truly relevant? Even if I loved the macOS interface, I sure as shit don’t love Apple. How much would I have to pay to get performance equivalent to my 5950X on macOS? Is there even such a thing? I could use Linux/KVM to make an AMD Hackintosh setup, but I better be careful to spend under 60 minutes on configuring it lest I sacrifice my benefits.
- pimeys 5y ago
  Sometimes you read comments that feel like it's written by you. Hey there! I'm almost the same, but 3950x instead of 5950x. I used Mac OS X between versions 10.0 and 10.4, and can never go back. It gives me anxiety, even now when I have a M1 machine in the cloud from work I mainly use through SSH, the system just feels like it fights hard preventing me of doing what I want. I sure hope so open hardware continues being a thing, and we're not forced to some proprietary way of doing things. I still have fun with computers and operating systems. I love to experiment, and finding things out is the only reason I'm in the business of programming.
vidarh 5y ago
Not taking time to configure an environment I spend most of my day in is as unthinkable as not decorating my home. I've used OS X. It was my primary environment for a few years, and there's no way I'd be happy using it on a day to day basis without spending ages trying to replicate a setup similar to what I have on Linux. OS X works fine if you're content with it's limitations. It becomes a straight-jacket if you're not.
- _dain_ 5y ago
  I don't decorate my home.
  - vidarh 5y ago
    I find it hard to believe you have no furniture or other possessions.
    - _dain_ 5y ago
      furniture isn't decoration, it's functional
      - vidarh 5y ago
        Of course it's decoration. The choice of style and materials used in furniture is a central part of interior decoration. Even choosing furniture purely based on function is a stylistic statement. In any case it's obtuse to focus on this as the point of my statement was clear: that customizing an environment you spend much of your day in matters - that applies whether you only care about function or care about appearance too.
- jokethrowaway 5y ago
  I used to think like this and ran Linux on Macbooks. I have to say that overall, nowadays, the environment doesn't affect me much, most of the time is spent inside a text editor and the rest is inside a browser. The widespread use of docker removed the need for most package management (the worst thing about Windows and Mac). I use nix-darwin to manage most dependencies on Mac which is okay, albeit not a great experience (nowhere close to nixos on Linux). I'd rather use Linux + sway when given the choice but I can, stoically, make work with pretty much anything.
gorgoiler 5y ago
OS X was going great until an OS upgrade meant no more 32bit apps. Utterly unforgivable. It’s the OS equivalent of making an unrepairable device. Linux and the piles of mutant userspace hanging off of it may well be pretty inconsistent and janky, but you can actually take a wrench to them — they are repairable. (Solved my problem by running a win32 version of my app instead, in 32bit Wine on Debian.) Some people are happy to lease a Hyundai for 3 years. I’m more into owning my own bikes, and doing all my own maintenance :)
whateveracct 5y ago
But then you eat shit when you use the best-in-class Nix package manager on MacOS because Apple breaks compatibility constantly.
rapiz 5y ago
And when you do have to configure the machine, there's no satisfying way to do it.
boudin 5y ago
But then you have to use mac os...

> I run SwayWM on NixOS and using Linux any other way feels archaic now. I just use Mac OS X and don't spend hours configuring my machine / talking about it... lol

pkulak 5y ago

Last time I installed MacOS, I couldn't even ls in a terminal without digging through settings and permissions (I accidentally hit cancel on the pop-up). It used to take me days to beat a new MacOS install into submission, let alone hours.

wahern 5y ago
> I accidentally hit cancel on the pop-up Modal dialogue strikes again?

jchw 5y ago

I can’t stand macOS no matter how much I try. It feels like that GIF of Sideshow Bob stepping on rakes but in UX form. I have genuinely tried, since Mac OS X 10.4 to be exact, every few years, and I do actually still use macOS, but it would be impossible to use it as my daily driver. Anyways, you didn’t qualify “hours” as being relative to any other timeframe, so I’m not sure if you literally mean you’ve spent less than one hour configuring your machine and/or discussing its configuration. However, you seem to wear it as almost a badge of pride, and I even sense some condescension, and I find that pretty silly. That’s like being proud of not learning another language. If you wanted to argue my time investment was worthless, you would have to know it gained me nothing versus just using macOS. However, given that I decide what’s worth my time, this is honestly pointless. I actually enjoy trying to improve my setup, especially in ways that makes my life easier. It’s easy to see a bunch of Linux nerds talking about text editors or WMs and conclude it’s a waste of time, but I disagree. It’s only a waste of time if you have no interest in exploring it. As for the tangible benefits, I may very well have more macOS experience than you do Linux experience, so from what standpoint are you qualified to even judge that, even that angle were truly relevant? Even if I loved the macOS interface, I sure as shit don’t love Apple. How much would I have to pay to get performance equivalent to my 5950X on macOS? Is there even such a thing? I could use Linux/KVM to make an AMD Hackintosh setup, but I better be careful to spend under 60 minutes on configuring it lest I sacrifice my benefits.

pimeys 5y ago
Sometimes you read comments that feel like it's written by you. Hey there! I'm almost the same, but 3950x instead of 5950x. I used Mac OS X between versions 10.0 and 10.4, and can never go back. It gives me anxiety, even now when I have a M1 machine in the cloud from work I mainly use through SSH, the system just feels like it fights hard preventing me of doing what I want. I sure hope so open hardware continues being a thing, and we're not forced to some proprietary way of doing things. I still have fun with computers and operating systems. I love to experiment, and finding things out is the only reason I'm in the business of programming.

vidarh 5y ago

Not taking time to configure an environment I spend most of my day in is as unthinkable as not decorating my home. I've used OS X. It was my primary environment for a few years, and there's no way I'd be happy using it on a day to day basis without spending ages trying to replicate a setup similar to what I have on Linux. OS X works fine if you're content with it's limitations. It becomes a straight-jacket if you're not.

_dain_ 5y ago
I don't decorate my home.
- vidarh 5y ago
  I find it hard to believe you have no furniture or other possessions.
  - _dain_ 5y ago
    furniture isn't decoration, it's functional
    - vidarh 5y ago
      Of course it's decoration. The choice of style and materials used in furniture is a central part of interior decoration. Even choosing furniture purely based on function is a stylistic statement. In any case it's obtuse to focus on this as the point of my statement was clear: that customizing an environment you spend much of your day in matters - that applies whether you only care about function or care about appearance too.
jokethrowaway 5y ago
I used to think like this and ran Linux on Macbooks. I have to say that overall, nowadays, the environment doesn't affect me much, most of the time is spent inside a text editor and the rest is inside a browser. The widespread use of docker removed the need for most package management (the worst thing about Windows and Mac). I use nix-darwin to manage most dependencies on Mac which is okay, albeit not a great experience (nowhere close to nixos on Linux). I'd rather use Linux + sway when given the choice but I can, stoically, make work with pretty much anything.

gorgoiler 5y ago

OS X was going great until an OS upgrade meant no more 32bit apps. Utterly unforgivable. It’s the OS equivalent of making an unrepairable device. Linux and the piles of mutant userspace hanging off of it may well be pretty inconsistent and janky, but you can actually take a wrench to them — they are repairable. (Solved my problem by running a win32 version of my app instead, in 32bit Wine on Debian.) Some people are happy to lease a Hyundai for 3 years. I’m more into owning my own bikes, and doing all my own maintenance :)

whateveracct 5y ago

But then you eat shit when you use the best-in-class Nix package manager on MacOS because Apple breaks compatibility constantly.

rapiz 5y ago

And when you do have to configure the machine, there's no satisfying way to do it.

boudin 5y ago

But then you have to use mac os...