> If a group within the DoD has plans for a project other than the stated goals, that is a conspiracy. But that's not what my comment is claiming, at all. The

> If a group within the DoD has plans for a project other than the stated goals, that is a conspiracy. But that's not what my comment is claiming, at all. There's no conspiracy. Everyone is acting on sincerely held beliefs. "We need a large standing military for defense." Or "We need R&D for defense." Or "We need a huge number of bases spread out across the country for defense." Or "We need this base anyways and the Constitution is symbolically important to our mission/history/culture so we need an oak grove." Etc. The result is a sort of sprawling socialist state operating in parallel to the rest of the USA, administered by and benefiting people who don't call the cow a cow, but there's nothing conspiratorial going on. Everything operates on sincerely held beliefs. Or more often jaded disinterest in bending the status quo. But not conspiracy, per se. If you just asked for an oak grove it'd be a fight. Say it's for defense ans there's much less of a fight. Ditto for literally anything else. That's all I'm saying.