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This comment just doesn't sit right with me. Obviously there's the issue that it reeks of tech elitism but there's more to it than that. Like not everyone need

by cletus 5y ago

This comment just doesn't sit right with me. Obviously there's the issue that it reeks of tech elitism but there's more to it than that. Like not everyone needs to pass a FAANG hiring crap shoot. You can give someone useful skills with which they can earn a living. As for accountants, well there are levels here too. Bookkeeping being one entry-level route. "Accountant" also means many things, like it's often conflated with "consultant" in, say, a Big Four (is it still Big Four?) case. Lawyers actually do have a path to practice law without getting a law degree via a sort of apprenticeship program. It's not often used but it does exist. And then there's doctors. If you ignore college and just focus on medical school plus required on-the-job training (ie residency program, possibly a fellowship), it can take 6-12 years to fully train a doctor. Whatever you may think of us software engineers, we're nowhere near the same level as a doctor in terms of required training. And that's all there is to it. I mean no one figures out how to remove an appendix when they're 12 in their parents' garage. But the US criminal "justice" system is really a human rights abomination for all the well-documented reasons (eg incarceration rate, racial bias, institutional rape, unjustifiably long sentences for possession of substances that are now legal in ~15 states, etc) but the big one is scarlet letter cruelty that most Americans seem to be OK with. I am of course talking about the nefarious "are you a felon?" question on job and other applications. I'm of the view that once someone has served their time, you should no longer hold it over their head such that they can't get many jobs, rent an apartment, etc. We should all be concerned about that if we care at all about recidivism. Unfortunately many Americans take a purely punitive view.

nickthemagicman 5y ago
>Whatever you may think of us software engineers, we're nowhere near the same level as a doctor in terms of required training. And that's all there is to it. I mean no one figures out how to remove an appendix when they're 12 in their parents' garage Kids arent chopping organs out in a garage because thats a future serial killer. Kids make make medical breakthroughs all the time. https://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/health/8-whiz-kids-future-medicine/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/health/8-whiz-kids-future-med... Don't sell yourself short. I was a premed and comp sci dual degree. Computer Science was way more challenging than the pre med stuff.
908B64B197 5y ago
> required on-the-job training (ie residency program, possibly a fellowship), it can take 6-12 years to fully train a doctor. > Whatever you may think of us software engineers, we're nowhere near the same level as a doctor in terms of required training. I don't know about that. Residency takes years, but I'm not convinced it couldn't be done faster (there are cultural reasons why it's done that way). Basically, there's a strict pecking order among residents (first years are taught and evaluated by second years and so on) and every "level" basically tries to show off to his boss (because most coveted spots are competitive). That often degenerates into a contest of who can sleep the least and be the hero that keeps the floor from "falling apart". I've seen fourth year residents undo work from third years, who themselves re-did work the second year did, who himself re-did something the first year resident had done. Everyone "saved the day" that night, except when the attending came in the morning he agreed with the diagnosis and treatment the first year resident implemented. You get the picture. The long years of schooling with little, expensive residency matching trips and interviews and unrelated undergrad required to even apply are all pretty good gatekeeping mechanism to keep poor people out however.

by cletus 5y ago

nickthemagicman 5y ago

>Whatever you may think of us software engineers, we're nowhere near the same level as a doctor in terms of required training. And that's all there is to it. I mean no one figures out how to remove an appendix when they're 12 in their parents' garage Kids arent chopping organs out in a garage because thats a future serial killer. Kids make make medical breakthroughs all the time. https://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/health/8-whiz-kids-future-medicine/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/health/8-whiz-kids-future-med... Don't sell yourself short. I was a premed and comp sci dual degree. Computer Science was way more challenging than the pre med stuff.

908B64B197 5y ago

> required on-the-job training (ie residency program, possibly a fellowship), it can take 6-12 years to fully train a doctor. > Whatever you may think of us software engineers, we're nowhere near the same level as a doctor in terms of required training. I don't know about that. Residency takes years, but I'm not convinced it couldn't be done faster (there are cultural reasons why it's done that way). Basically, there's a strict pecking order among residents (first years are taught and evaluated by second years and so on) and every "level" basically tries to show off to his boss (because most coveted spots are competitive). That often degenerates into a contest of who can sleep the least and be the hero that keeps the floor from "falling apart". I've seen fourth year residents undo work from third years, who themselves re-did work the second year did, who himself re-did something the first year resident had done. Everyone "saved the day" that night, except when the attending came in the morning he agreed with the diagnosis and treatment the first year resident implemented. You get the picture. The long years of schooling with little, expensive residency matching trips and interviews and unrelated undergrad required to even apply are all pretty good gatekeeping mechanism to keep poor people out however.