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The exodus has been soundly proven to be a myth. [1] But assuming it isn't, there aren't many better places to go. Texas is a joke. Traffic is worse than LA in

The exodus has been soundly proven to be a myth. [1] But assuming it isn't, there aren't many better places to go. Texas is a joke. Traffic is worse than LA in the major cities and it is run by Christian zealots. Yeah maybe you pay fewer taxes but the other quality-of-life tradeoffs aren't worth it. [1] https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/California-exodus-is-just-a-myth-massive-UC-16301134.php https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/California-exodus-is-ju...

015a 5y ago
There are better places to go, hypothetically. Realistically: People are going to Texas. Obviously they are; ranked by GDP per state, California is #1, Texas is #2. The only people who give a shit about the Christian zealots are people hundreds of miles away outside the state; people like Elon Musk don't care, and still move there, and move their companies with them.
- kelnos 5y ago
  > The only people who give a shit about the Christian zealots are people hundreds of miles away outside the state That seems untrue, given Texas' shift toward purple. Certainly wealthy people in Texas (regardless of their politics) aren't affected too much by who sits in the state house, but there are plenty of Democrats in Texas who aren't wealthy. And just as a random example, I bet women who are looking to terminate unwanted pregnancies in Texas right now are probably sick of the Christian zealots.
xvector 5y ago
It's such a terrible state. Infested with ultrawide roads and zero walkability. Women don't have bodily autonomy - imagine trying to raise a daughter in such an environment. I'd hope that alone would deter engineers with families from the state. Not to mention the a worthless human being of a governor. Backwards politics and ideals. It's a joke of a state, everything wrong with America hyper-concentrated on steroids. The pros of moving to Texas is that housing is cheaper. The downside is that you have to live in fucking Texas.
- danhak 5y ago
  There are many millions of people in the country that don't share your politics. Some of them are even engineers with families.
  - 8note 5y ago
    I don't know which people like sitting in traffic. Wide roads is a sign of sitting in traffic. Family wise though, moving to Texas is bad for half the members of your family. Half the people in your family, aren't going to agree with the Texas government's views, whether you want to force them to or not.
    - drak0n1c 5y ago
      Recently moved to north of Dallas. Many wide roads, very populated area. Rarely see traffic that slows trip time more than 10%. Much better than my experience driving in Seattle and what I've seen in SF/LA. The speed limit on the freeways and tollways is 70 mph, so distant places that would take over hour to get to in Seattle are 15 min drives here.
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    - fighterpilot 5y ago
      I feel like this should be obvious but wide roads don't imply sitting in traffic. If traffic is 1.5x but road width is 2x then you're less likely to be sitting in traffic.
      - kelnos 5y ago
        That's a big "if". Building wider highways seems to just attract more people to drive on them.
    - kelnos 5y ago
      > Half the people in your family, aren't going to agree with the Texas government's views You do realize that there are plenty of women in Texas (and elsewhere) who support curtailing access to (or even outright banning) abortion, right? Edit: I didn't expect this number to be so high, but apparently 43% of women in the US identify as pro-life (https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018-demographic-tables.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018...).
rcpt 5y ago
California has exploded to the world's 5th largest economy. Surpassing even the UK. Zero growth isn't the right baseline. The fact that the population hasn't boomed means something is definitely wrong.
cltby 5y ago
> But assuming it isn't, there aren't many better places to go. Washington state is a good alternative. It has all of California’s grievance politics and collectivism but with none of the tax burden.
smabie 5y ago
What about Puerto Rico? I moved here 6mo to take advantage of the lowest taxes an American can get and it's pretty livable. Of course English is spoken as a second language, but all in all it's pretty livable

015a 5y ago

There are better places to go, hypothetically. Realistically: People are going to Texas. Obviously they are; ranked by GDP per state, California is #1, Texas is #2. The only people who give a shit about the Christian zealots are people hundreds of miles away outside the state; people like Elon Musk don't care, and still move there, and move their companies with them.

kelnos 5y ago
> The only people who give a shit about the Christian zealots are people hundreds of miles away outside the state That seems untrue, given Texas' shift toward purple. Certainly wealthy people in Texas (regardless of their politics) aren't affected too much by who sits in the state house, but there are plenty of Democrats in Texas who aren't wealthy. And just as a random example, I bet women who are looking to terminate unwanted pregnancies in Texas right now are probably sick of the Christian zealots.

xvector 5y ago

It's such a terrible state. Infested with ultrawide roads and zero walkability. Women don't have bodily autonomy - imagine trying to raise a daughter in such an environment. I'd hope that alone would deter engineers with families from the state. Not to mention the a worthless human being of a governor. Backwards politics and ideals. It's a joke of a state, everything wrong with America hyper-concentrated on steroids. The pros of moving to Texas is that housing is cheaper. The downside is that you have to live in fucking Texas.

danhak 5y ago
There are many millions of people in the country that don't share your politics. Some of them are even engineers with families.
- 8note 5y ago
  I don't know which people like sitting in traffic. Wide roads is a sign of sitting in traffic. Family wise though, moving to Texas is bad for half the members of your family. Half the people in your family, aren't going to agree with the Texas government's views, whether you want to force them to or not.
  - drak0n1c 5y ago
    Recently moved to north of Dallas. Many wide roads, very populated area. Rarely see traffic that slows trip time more than 10%. Much better than my experience driving in Seattle and what I've seen in SF/LA. The speed limit on the freeways and tollways is 70 mph, so distant places that would take over hour to get to in Seattle are 15 min drives here.
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  - fighterpilot 5y ago
    I feel like this should be obvious but wide roads don't imply sitting in traffic. If traffic is 1.5x but road width is 2x then you're less likely to be sitting in traffic.
    - kelnos 5y ago
      That's a big "if". Building wider highways seems to just attract more people to drive on them.
  - kelnos 5y ago
    > Half the people in your family, aren't going to agree with the Texas government's views You do realize that there are plenty of women in Texas (and elsewhere) who support curtailing access to (or even outright banning) abortion, right? Edit: I didn't expect this number to be so high, but apparently 43% of women in the US identify as pro-life (https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018-demographic-tables.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018...).

rcpt 5y ago

California has exploded to the world's 5th largest economy. Surpassing even the UK. Zero growth isn't the right baseline. The fact that the population hasn't boomed means something is definitely wrong.

cltby 5y ago

> But assuming it isn't, there aren't many better places to go. Washington state is a good alternative. It has all of California’s grievance politics and collectivism but with none of the tax burden.

smabie 5y ago

What about Puerto Rico? I moved here 6mo to take advantage of the lowest taxes an American can get and it's pretty livable. Of course English is spoken as a second language, but all in all it's pretty livable