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Austin already has plenty of homeless people, and the #s are quite comparable to san jose for example - they are just more visible in the bay area due to lax ru

by mosdl 5y ago

Austin already has plenty of homeless people, and the #s are quite comparable to san jose for example - they are just more visible in the bay area due to lax rules for them (plus weather).

newacct583 5y ago
> homeless people [...] are just more visible in the bay area due to lax rules for them I'm not normally someone who picks on phrasing, but this one is a little orwellian. The implication is that, while homelessness is endemic basically everywhere, the proper "rules" for them to obey are that they are not to be seen. And enforcement regimes that allow them to exist in public are "lax"? Yikes.
- xeromal 5y ago
  I feel like orwellian is the wrong term. Isn't that geared more towards the thought police and how you feel about the government's politics? Not if you're homeless or not? I don't think OP meant anything by his post. California's policies are lax. Regardless if you think they're deserving of consideration or not, it's miserable to have a huge homeless population living next to your house. People may pretend its not real but homeless areas tend towards drugs and unsanitary conditions and it's not a great place to raise a family.
  - wpietri 5y ago
    The homeless are also people who live somewhere, just not in houses. "Lax" implies that treating them harshly would be better. But fining and jailing them isn't going to make them more able to get a place to live. Aggressive anti-homeless policies just hide the suffering from the well off.
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- mosdl 5y ago
  I admit, lax was the wrong term to use. Can't think of a term that means less aggressive trying to hide them.
- mcntsh 5y ago
  > And enforcement regimes that allow them to exist in public are "lax"? This would be shocking if the Bay Area didn't have an abundance of shelter for them and very-well-funded homeless service programs, but it does. The resources are all there, but many don't want to use them, they just want to be outside and be left alone, and the cities don't do anything about it.

by mosdl 5y ago

Austin already has plenty of homeless people, and the #s are quite comparable to san jose for example - they are just more visible in the bay area due to lax rules for them (plus weather).

newacct583 5y ago

> homeless people [...] are just more visible in the bay area due to lax rules for them I'm not normally someone who picks on phrasing, but this one is a little orwellian. The implication is that, while homelessness is endemic basically everywhere, the proper "rules" for them to obey are that they are not to be seen. And enforcement regimes that allow them to exist in public are "lax"? Yikes.

xeromal 5y ago
I feel like orwellian is the wrong term. Isn't that geared more towards the thought police and how you feel about the government's politics? Not if you're homeless or not? I don't think OP meant anything by his post. California's policies are lax. Regardless if you think they're deserving of consideration or not, it's miserable to have a huge homeless population living next to your house. People may pretend its not real but homeless areas tend towards drugs and unsanitary conditions and it's not a great place to raise a family.
- wpietri 5y ago
  The homeless are also people who live somewhere, just not in houses. "Lax" implies that treating them harshly would be better. But fining and jailing them isn't going to make them more able to get a place to live. Aggressive anti-homeless policies just hide the suffering from the well off.
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mosdl 5y ago
I admit, lax was the wrong term to use. Can't think of a term that means less aggressive trying to hide them.
mcntsh 5y ago
> And enforcement regimes that allow them to exist in public are "lax"? This would be shocking if the Bay Area didn't have an abundance of shelter for them and very-well-funded homeless service programs, but it does. The resources are all there, but many don't want to use them, they just want to be outside and be left alone, and the cities don't do anything about it.