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> and whatever happens becomes a lesson learned that the Navy trains on in the future. Former enlisted here. Unfortunately death by power point doesn't solve t
by BitAstronaut 5y ago
> and whatever happens becomes a lesson learned that the Navy trains on in the future.
Former enlisted here. Unfortunately death by power point doesn't solve the problem of overworked sailors.
- galacticaactual 5y agoNo one said the training was PowerPoint.
- Jenk 5y agoI'm pretty sure that GP just did. Their post was a multi-pronged dig at their time serving - the first being that their training was (mostly?) ppt based, and secondly that sailors are overworked.
- imwillofficial 5y agoThe training is not PowerPoint.
- MaximumYComb 5y agoHow do you think they deliver this training to enlisted?
- galacticaactual 5y agoHave you received training as an enlisted person? Because PPTs are but one - of numerous - ways, to include drills, exercises, and other physical doing.
- MaximumYComb 5y agoYes, 12.5 years enlisted. I've sat through more dumb PPT's that are a reaction to an incident than I care to remember. With Covid, the model seems to have moved to doing an online course which is a bunch of slides and some multiple choice questions.
- galacticaactual 5y ago12+ years here. You must’ve been on some shitty details. Thanks for your service.
- MaximumYComb 5y agoExperience varies. I've enjoyed all my postings, some more than others and I don't regret enlisting for a second. But I've certainly seen a lot of reactions to make incidents in the form of watch a video or a PowerPoint presentation. Not so much for proper training.
- zhte415 5y agoThe cutting edge in mediocre corporate training at the moment is drawing pictures about experiences based on open ended questions to which no one dares say an answer is wrong but instead passively aggressively use voting via small tags of coloured paper and resulting in nothing aside from a few quotes from self improvement books, and a cake and photo at the end of the day to *celebrate the journey", and that shading stick figure figurines with grey makes them look better. Give me back days of dross PPTs please.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago>With Covid, the model seems to have moved to doing an online course which is a bunch of slides and some multiple choice questions. Took y'all long enough to get with the times. The civilian contractors have been doing these for years.
- imwillofficial 5y agoAs a submariner, outside of A school, I got no PowerPoint training. It was all OJT
- jedc 5y agoIn the Navy the training is invariably PowerPoint, for officers and enlisted
- imwillofficial 5y agoThe training is not PowerPoint. Re: Sub Sailor
- yibg 5y agoWas overwork / fatigue what caused the incidents OP listed?
- kodah 5y agoIt has been a historical issue for the Navy with respect to accidents: https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-21-366.pdf https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-21-366.pdf I don't think those details have been released on this incident though.
- rmk 5y agoThat is a possibility. The navy has had at least two serious collisions with other ships in recent years. Oddly enough, touchscreen-based UIs were determined to be one of the contributing factors! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Fitzgerald_and_MV_ACX_Crystal_collision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Fitzgerald_and_MV_ACX_Crys...
- ngcc_hk 5y agoNot related. But no real (even if configurable) button sucks a lot. It is not because old hand but imagine a pure iphone like camera for very quick photographic decision. Or video. Move to a moving platform. A lot of our muscle memory and sense help us. God bless.
- dctoedt 5y ago> Oddly enough, touchscreen-based UIs were determined to be one of the contributing factors! There's no substitute for looking around (which of course is impossible in a submarine below periscope depth). As a JOOD* underway aboard an aircraft carrier, I had a tendency to spend a lot of time looking at the radar scope. But as soon as I qualified and started standing OOD* watches, I realized that I had switched to constantly scanning the horizon and the flight deck and only occasionally glancing at the radar. * OOD = Officer of the Deck, the person on watch who's responsible for the safe navigation of the ship for that "watch" (generally, a four-hour period), reporting to the commanding officer. JOOD = Junior Officer of the Deck, in training to be an OOD.
- jedc 5y ago
- lallysingh 5y agoThe PowerPoints will continue until morale improves!
- i_am_proteus 5y agoEasy fix: just have powerpoint training on not overworking your sailors and protecting sleep. For all hands. After waking them up with a fire drill. (This happened to us on Ustafish)
- Chris2048 5y agoKinda like how modern software corps have presentations on work-life balance.
- wiz21c 5y agoyeah, one of the few zeniths of absurdity...
- eurasiantiger 5y agoDid you consider reporting that up the chain of command?
- BitAstronaut 5y agoI'm not sure I've ever seen a better use case for the sarcasm slash \s than with this comment.
- javajosh 5y agoAren't lessons incorporated into checklists and drills? I don't see how powerpoint could help anyone.
- dylan604 5y agoI'd imagine they don't always get to train on actual equipment. Sometimes there's classroom training where powerpoint could easily be used.
- gingkoguy 5y agoLol this is 100% accurate. Former enlisted sailor on a ddg
- chiefalchemist 5y agoUnderstood. But in the case of subs, aren't there automated warnings and such? Certainly the computers are monitoring the signals as much as the humans. Certainly the humans shouldn't be overworked, but how does a ultra high end military vehicle (?) strike something?
- waste_monk 5y agoMy understanding is they're relying on inertial navigation and water pressure sensor (to know the current depth) - you could turn on active sonar to map the sea floor, but that kind of ruins the stealth thing, and you can't look out a window. If there's a submerged obstacle that isn't mapped, especially another sub, you won't know it's there until it's too late. Which is pretty much what happened in the HMS Vanguard and Le Triomphant collision.
- imwillofficial 5y agoDon’t forget the Pit Swords!
- rbanffy 5y ago> Unfortunately death by power point doesn't solve the problem of overworked sailors. It really depends on who dies. Luckily, there are far better ways to solve the problem than by killing someone.
- sitzkrieg 5y agowhat about gundecking the UI watches :-)