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The trouble with myocarditis caused by the mRNA vaccines is that even though the risk is low, for some of the age groups it seems to be higher than the risk of

by makomk 5y ago

The trouble with myocarditis caused by the mRNA vaccines is that even though the risk is low, for some of the age groups it seems to be higher than the risk of them being hospitalized due to Covid. (A risk which a lot of people seem to overestimate, but that's another story.) So even though they should be more worried about crossing the road than the vaccine, it's also entirely rational for them to consider the vaccine a bigger danger than Covid itself.

armada651 5y ago
When comparing risks you need to account for the outcomes. The rare cases of myocarditis are mild and patients made a full recovery. The rare cases of hospitalization due to Covid have much worse outcomes for quality of life than myocarditis, including 3.5k cases of death in the US in that age group. [1] So even if the risks of hospitalization were lower, which is 80 per 100k in that age group [2], it still doesn't make sense to conclude that the vaccine is a bigger danger than Covid. Also don't forget this quote from the article: > The risk of myocarditis is substantially increased for those who contract COVID-19 Given how easily COVID spreads, you'll be exposed to a risk vector for myocarditis whether you get vaccinated or not. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122354/covid-19-us-hospital-rate-by-age/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122354/covid-19-us-hosp...
nojokes 5y ago
Well, it is actually not higher. Definitely not when you take the speed of Delta into account. For example Scotland (as the rest of the UK) did not vaccinate 12-15 year old children. When the school year started, about 10% of this population got infected in 5 weeks. So during first 5 weeks you had 1:10 change of getting COVID-19. About 27:100000 of them got hospitalized when in comparison CDC assumption was 38:100000 in 4 months. So they are wrong as were UK officials. UK started vaccinating 12 year old and older since 20th September. In addition. If you are going to develop myocarditis after vaccine induced immune reaction, changes are that it will happened to you when you get the infection. People are getting it after flu shot but it is given only once so it is not really comparable.

by makomk 5y ago

armada651 5y ago

When comparing risks you need to account for the outcomes. The rare cases of myocarditis are mild and patients made a full recovery. The rare cases of hospitalization due to Covid have much worse outcomes for quality of life than myocarditis, including 3.5k cases of death in the US in that age group. [1] So even if the risks of hospitalization were lower, which is 80 per 100k in that age group [2], it still doesn't make sense to conclude that the vaccine is a bigger danger than Covid. Also don't forget this quote from the article: > The risk of myocarditis is substantially increased for those who contract COVID-19 Given how easily COVID spreads, you'll be exposed to a risk vector for myocarditis whether you get vaccinated or not. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122354/covid-19-us-hospital-rate-by-age/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122354/covid-19-us-hosp...

nojokes 5y ago

Well, it is actually not higher. Definitely not when you take the speed of Delta into account. For example Scotland (as the rest of the UK) did not vaccinate 12-15 year old children. When the school year started, about 10% of this population got infected in 5 weeks. So during first 5 weeks you had 1:10 change of getting COVID-19. About 27:100000 of them got hospitalized when in comparison CDC assumption was 38:100000 in 4 months. So they are wrong as were UK officials. UK started vaccinating 12 year old and older since 20th September. In addition. If you are going to develop myocarditis after vaccine induced immune reaction, changes are that it will happened to you when you get the infection. People are getting it after flu shot but it is given only once so it is not really comparable.