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I'm pretty sure because Apple is doing full-stack optimization. I'm willing to bet you that Safari has a worse trade-off than Chromium or Firefox on non-Apple p

by fouric 5y ago

I'm pretty sure because Apple is doing full-stack optimization. I'm willing to bet you that Safari has a worse trade-off than Chromium or Firefox on non-Apple platforms.

nikolay 5y ago
But we're talking about drastic differences in memory and CPU usage, not minor differences.
- fouric 5y ago
  How does that have anything to do with my point? I said that Safari has an advantage over Chrome on Apple hardware only because it has an integration advantage. Chrome is still faster on most other platforms... including non-Google ones, like Windows and Linux - which the majority of users use. That is impressive. Meanwhile, there is nothing special about a browser that does best on hardware made by the same developer as it. Plus, both Firefox and Chrome have significantly more useful features than Safari on all platforms. Safari only wins when you care about pure performance on specifically Apple hardware without concern for features or add-ons. Not commendable.
  - nikolay 5y ago
    Chrome is definitely faster at using up all available resources! Platform-level optimization cannot lead to drastic changes in memory utilizations unless Google completely ignores the macOS platform! Which features are needed for the 99.99% browser usage? I open Chrome with 10 tabs opened and 15 minutes later it's using 8GB of RAM! Basic pages, like Messenger, Facebook, and Gmail. The same pages with the exact used browser features in Safari use just a fraction of the resources and actually provide a better browsing experience! So, Google should rethink what a browser is nowadays - from a thin client, they turned the browser into a morbidly-obese client!
    - fouric 5y ago
      > Basic pages, like Messenger, Facebook, and Gmail. You belay your ignorance of webdev. Those three sites are all extremely heavy web applications - barely even "sites" - and I'm willing to bet you they still are faster on Chrome than on Safari (on non-Apple platforms). > The same pages with the exact used browser features in Safari use just a fraction of the resources and actually provide a better browsing experience! Instead of using your own subjective perception, you should try running a series of standard performance benchmarks, like the SunSpider JavaScript benchmarks[1] on Chrome and Safari on a non-Apple platform - then see if your perceived performance gap remains. [1] https://webkit.org/perf/sunspider/sunspider.html https://webkit.org/perf/sunspider/sunspider.html
      - nikolay 5y ago
        Subjective, really? So, I open the same tabs in both browsers and I see the resource utilization difference and that's subjective? I don't care about the browser features, which make Chrome use all available resources on my computer in 10 minutes after launching!
        fouric 5y ago
        I didn't say "resource utilization". I said "are faster" and "standard performance benchmarks". Those are two completely different things. Please read comments more carefully before replying. Meanwhile, even if you don't care about the features - tons of people do, and those browsers are built for them, too, not just you on your Apple hardware.

by fouric 5y ago

I'm pretty sure because Apple is doing full-stack optimization. I'm willing to bet you that Safari has a worse trade-off than Chromium or Firefox on non-Apple platforms.

nikolay 5y ago

But we're talking about drastic differences in memory and CPU usage, not minor differences.

fouric 5y ago
How does that have anything to do with my point? I said that Safari has an advantage over Chrome on Apple hardware only because it has an integration advantage. Chrome is still faster on most other platforms... including non-Google ones, like Windows and Linux - which the majority of users use. That is impressive. Meanwhile, there is nothing special about a browser that does best on hardware made by the same developer as it. Plus, both Firefox and Chrome have significantly more useful features than Safari on all platforms. Safari only wins when you care about pure performance on specifically Apple hardware without concern for features or add-ons. Not commendable.
- nikolay 5y ago
  Chrome is definitely faster at using up all available resources! Platform-level optimization cannot lead to drastic changes in memory utilizations unless Google completely ignores the macOS platform! Which features are needed for the 99.99% browser usage? I open Chrome with 10 tabs opened and 15 minutes later it's using 8GB of RAM! Basic pages, like Messenger, Facebook, and Gmail. The same pages with the exact used browser features in Safari use just a fraction of the resources and actually provide a better browsing experience! So, Google should rethink what a browser is nowadays - from a thin client, they turned the browser into a morbidly-obese client!
  - fouric 5y ago
    > Basic pages, like Messenger, Facebook, and Gmail. You belay your ignorance of webdev. Those three sites are all extremely heavy web applications - barely even "sites" - and I'm willing to bet you they still are faster on Chrome than on Safari (on non-Apple platforms). > The same pages with the exact used browser features in Safari use just a fraction of the resources and actually provide a better browsing experience! Instead of using your own subjective perception, you should try running a series of standard performance benchmarks, like the SunSpider JavaScript benchmarks[1] on Chrome and Safari on a non-Apple platform - then see if your perceived performance gap remains. [1] https://webkit.org/perf/sunspider/sunspider.html https://webkit.org/perf/sunspider/sunspider.html
    - nikolay 5y ago
      Subjective, really? So, I open the same tabs in both browsers and I see the resource utilization difference and that's subjective? I don't care about the browser features, which make Chrome use all available resources on my computer in 10 minutes after launching!
      - fouric 5y ago
        I didn't say "resource utilization". I said "are faster" and "standard performance benchmarks". Those are two completely different things. Please read comments more carefully before replying. Meanwhile, even if you don't care about the features - tons of people do, and those browsers are built for them, too, not just you on your Apple hardware.