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btw, just a point by point on your wishlist… - automatic emergency braking: this is a terrible idea. I can't imagine any circumstance where ones bike would sud

btw, just a point by point on your wishlist… - automatic emergency braking: this is a terrible idea. I can't imagine any circumstance where ones bike would suddenly stop underneath them and not send the rider head-first into whatever made the bike stop. - turn signals: This exists but I suspect that in practice you'd find it less useful than you expect. Drivers and cyclists simply don't expect to see them, so they'd be mostly confused or annoyed. - automatic lighting: I agree. More importantly, lighting should be integrated into most bicycle frames - regenerative braking: this exists - gps/anti theft tracking: this exists - speedometor: this exists, but if you're not an actual racer… why? - rear radar: this sounds bizarre… but rear view mirrors actually are commonplace You really walked into the wrong bicycle shop. I hope the experience didn't put you off cycling, it's the best regardless of your approach.

ashtonbaker 5y ago
Rear radar also exists, Garmin Varia for example. I'd trust a helmet-mounted mirror more. The other thing about this overall vision for bicycles is that everyone has different needs. This sounds like a wishlist for a commuter e-bike, but it's not at all what road cyclists are looking for. And most of this does exist as an integrated package, from various ebike manufacturers. It's just expensive and heavy, and adds a lot of maintenance overhead for not much practical benefit.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  > I'd trust a helmet-mounted mirror more AFAIK, it undermines the integrity of the helmet in a crash. Perhaps it's worth the trade-off, but also having some loose stick of metal flying around my head in a crash is conceptually unappealing.
  - ashtonbaker 5y ago
    I've never heard of the helmet integrity issue. Doesn't seem plausible with a sturdy commuter-grade helmet. The way I think about safety equipment is that the most effective kind is the one that you always have with you, that doesn't run out of batteries. Maybe the idea of having a mirror near your face is a concern, but hey, you're already in a bicycle crash, it's not going to be great either way. Wear some safety glasses for the flying debris. The best plan is to prevent that situation in the first place.
    - wolverine876 5y ago
      > I've never heard of the helmet integrity issue. Doesn't seem plausible with a sturdy commuter-grade helmet. I've seen it in a few places. I dug up some notes: The following is from: "The Do's and Don'ts of Bike Helmet Care" at Consumer Reports (15 April 2017) https://www.consumerreports.org/bike-helmets/the-dos-and-donts-of-bike-helmet-care/ https://www.consumerreports.org/bike-helmets/the-dos-and-don... * "The strap and/or adhesive mounts could damage the helmet, especially if they’re installed less than perfectly." * "the larger problem is the camera itself. A helmet is designed to have a surface without protrusions, and a camera represents a significant one. / ... "Anytime you add an external component to a helmet, you can change the performance of that helmet," says [Ian] Hall, [Consumer Product Safety Commission engineer]. "A helmet-mounted camera may become a projectile if it detaches in a crash, but a camera that remains attached could focus the forces applied to the rider’s head, increasing the risk of injury." And from a Specialized helmet owner's manual: "Do not attach anything to your helmet, including mirrors or lights."
- Eric_WVGG 5y ago
  there are handlebar mounted mirrors, my father has one
PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
> You really walked into the wrong bicycle shop. They said they owned a bicycle shop!
- Eric_WVGG 5y ago
  I misread that too. He said "bike owner," not "bike shop owner"
wolverine876 5y ago
> automatic emergency braking: this is a terrible idea. I can't imagine any circumstance where ones bike would suddenly stop underneath them and not send the rider head-first into whatever made the bike stop. Agreed, though I was thinking of anti-lock breaking, to prevent skids.

ashtonbaker 5y ago

Rear radar also exists, Garmin Varia for example. I'd trust a helmet-mounted mirror more. The other thing about this overall vision for bicycles is that everyone has different needs. This sounds like a wishlist for a commuter e-bike, but it's not at all what road cyclists are looking for. And most of this does exist as an integrated package, from various ebike manufacturers. It's just expensive and heavy, and adds a lot of maintenance overhead for not much practical benefit.

wolverine876 5y ago
> I'd trust a helmet-mounted mirror more AFAIK, it undermines the integrity of the helmet in a crash. Perhaps it's worth the trade-off, but also having some loose stick of metal flying around my head in a crash is conceptually unappealing.
- ashtonbaker 5y ago
  I've never heard of the helmet integrity issue. Doesn't seem plausible with a sturdy commuter-grade helmet. The way I think about safety equipment is that the most effective kind is the one that you always have with you, that doesn't run out of batteries. Maybe the idea of having a mirror near your face is a concern, but hey, you're already in a bicycle crash, it's not going to be great either way. Wear some safety glasses for the flying debris. The best plan is to prevent that situation in the first place.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    > I've never heard of the helmet integrity issue. Doesn't seem plausible with a sturdy commuter-grade helmet. I've seen it in a few places. I dug up some notes: The following is from: "The Do's and Don'ts of Bike Helmet Care" at Consumer Reports (15 April 2017) https://www.consumerreports.org/bike-helmets/the-dos-and-donts-of-bike-helmet-care/ https://www.consumerreports.org/bike-helmets/the-dos-and-don... * "The strap and/or adhesive mounts could damage the helmet, especially if they’re installed less than perfectly." * "the larger problem is the camera itself. A helmet is designed to have a surface without protrusions, and a camera represents a significant one. / ... "Anytime you add an external component to a helmet, you can change the performance of that helmet," says [Ian] Hall, [Consumer Product Safety Commission engineer]. "A helmet-mounted camera may become a projectile if it detaches in a crash, but a camera that remains attached could focus the forces applied to the rider’s head, increasing the risk of injury." And from a Specialized helmet owner's manual: "Do not attach anything to your helmet, including mirrors or lights."
Eric_WVGG 5y ago
there are handlebar mounted mirrors, my father has one

PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago

> You really walked into the wrong bicycle shop. They said they owned a bicycle shop!

Eric_WVGG 5y ago
I misread that too. He said "bike owner," not "bike shop owner"

wolverine876 5y ago

> automatic emergency braking: this is a terrible idea. I can't imagine any circumstance where ones bike would suddenly stop underneath them and not send the rider head-first into whatever made the bike stop. Agreed, though I was thinking of anti-lock breaking, to prevent skids.