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> If their product (the app store) is genuinely better for users & companies - it should be able to out compete other products I don't think this is true. If t

by Aaargh20318 5y ago

> If their product (the app store) is genuinely better for users & companies - it should be able to out compete other products I don't think this is true. If there were multiple stores, then the one that is best for companies would win, not the on that is best for end-users. Users don't get a say in which store an app is published in.

clusterfish 5y ago
Users get a say in which apps they purchase. I've no idea what people are whining about saying cancelling app subscriptions is hard. Never ran into this, and if I ever do, worst case credit card chargeback would put the unscrupulous vendor in its place. It's not Apple's job to hold my hand.
- Aaargh20318 5y ago
  > Users get a say in which apps they purchase. You expect users to not get an app they want to buy just because they prefer a different app store ?
  - Jensson 5y ago
    Apple takes a cut since they give you visibility in their appstore. Are you saying that their argument is nonsense and that nobody finds apps they want to install in the appstore and instead people learn about apps in other ways? Then why should the app store take the huge 30% cut? And difficulty to install matters a great deal. If it is a few more clicks you will lose a ton of users because of it.
- darkwizard42 5y ago
  Look at PC gaming for an example of how this choice is NOT in the hands of consumers. If a developer gets paid by Epic to have an Epic store exclusive, how does the consumer win here? I have to decide between getting a game (that I want to get and want to give my money to the developer for) at the time I want at the cost of using Epic's buggy and shady launcher. It isn't Apple's job to hold my hand, but I certainly appreciate them dealing with the hundreds of developers whose products I interact with, creating a "code of conduct" that I can trust and know developers will abide by (99.9% of the time)
  - stale2002 5y ago
    > Look at PC gaming for an example of how this choice is NOT in the hands of consumers. This doesn't make any sense. It is already the case that if someone only publishes the app on android, and don't publish it on the iPhone, then you as a consumer can't buy it on the apple app store. Are you going to argue that your choice is being taken away, because a developer only put it on android? That is no different than if they put it on a different iPhone app store.
colinmhayes 5y ago
Yes they do. If users like the app store more than competing stores companies will be faced with the choice of putting their app on the app store or losing customers to competitors that put their copycat app on the app store.
- darkwizard42 5y ago
  So we should encourage copycat apps? This line of thinking doesn't really lead to a place that is productive for developers OR consumers...
  - colinmhayes 5y ago
    We don't need to. They already exist. Either way it won't matter because companies will see that putting their app on the app store for apples cut - 10% less while also telling users about the cheaper option is profit maximizing.
bradknowles 5y ago
That assumes that the companies running the alternative stores wouldn’t use dark patterns to encourage users to make decisions that are not in their best interests. I think we can safely say that this will happen on the planet of Never, not in a trillion years.

clusterfish 5y ago

Users get a say in which apps they purchase. I've no idea what people are whining about saying cancelling app subscriptions is hard. Never ran into this, and if I ever do, worst case credit card chargeback would put the unscrupulous vendor in its place. It's not Apple's job to hold my hand.

Aaargh20318 5y ago
> Users get a say in which apps they purchase. You expect users to not get an app they want to buy just because they prefer a different app store ?
- Jensson 5y ago
  Apple takes a cut since they give you visibility in their appstore. Are you saying that their argument is nonsense and that nobody finds apps they want to install in the appstore and instead people learn about apps in other ways? Then why should the app store take the huge 30% cut? And difficulty to install matters a great deal. If it is a few more clicks you will lose a ton of users because of it.
darkwizard42 5y ago
Look at PC gaming for an example of how this choice is NOT in the hands of consumers. If a developer gets paid by Epic to have an Epic store exclusive, how does the consumer win here? I have to decide between getting a game (that I want to get and want to give my money to the developer for) at the time I want at the cost of using Epic's buggy and shady launcher. It isn't Apple's job to hold my hand, but I certainly appreciate them dealing with the hundreds of developers whose products I interact with, creating a "code of conduct" that I can trust and know developers will abide by (99.9% of the time)
- stale2002 5y ago
  > Look at PC gaming for an example of how this choice is NOT in the hands of consumers. This doesn't make any sense. It is already the case that if someone only publishes the app on android, and don't publish it on the iPhone, then you as a consumer can't buy it on the apple app store. Are you going to argue that your choice is being taken away, because a developer only put it on android? That is no different than if they put it on a different iPhone app store.

colinmhayes 5y ago

Yes they do. If users like the app store more than competing stores companies will be faced with the choice of putting their app on the app store or losing customers to competitors that put their copycat app on the app store.

darkwizard42 5y ago
So we should encourage copycat apps? This line of thinking doesn't really lead to a place that is productive for developers OR consumers...
- colinmhayes 5y ago
  We don't need to. They already exist. Either way it won't matter because companies will see that putting their app on the app store for apples cut - 10% less while also telling users about the cheaper option is profit maximizing.

bradknowles 5y ago

That assumes that the companies running the alternative stores wouldn’t use dark patterns to encourage users to make decisions that are not in their best interests. I think we can safely say that this will happen on the planet of Never, not in a trillion years.