Indeed, that's fair, I'm not sure if Java would have been the right choice in the case of cloud infrastructure. I mean, at the application level I would always

Indeed, that's fair, I'm not sure if Java would have been the right choice in the case of cloud infrastructure. I mean, at the application level I would always pick Java over Go for something like a distributed analytics engine, streaming or just swarms of microservices. Our new smart traffic simulation system is written in Java with the client in TypeScript. But the infrastructure it's all Terraform and Go utilities. It's a rewrite of an old system which was in C++ with Lua embedded. Maybe today GraalVM with native image fixed some of the issues, plus Valhalla will make it even better but that's still a long way to go.