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Meh, maybe it's the Republicans who have the right idea on trusting the news media here vs. the Democrats. The problem is of course they're probably getting ne

Meh, maybe it's the Republicans who have the right idea on trusting the news media here vs. the Democrats. The problem is of course they're probably getting news from even less trustworthy places as you mention, but the news media simply doesn't deserve the trust of anyone in the general population.

p_j_w 5y ago
>Meh, maybe it's the Republicans who have the right idea on trusting the news media here vs. the Democrats. Given the percentage of Republicans that believe the 2020 election was actually stolen, how do you justify this view? Are the outlets that Republicans DO trust providing more reputable news, or are they spewing complete nonsense that is far more wrong than the mainstream news media? Every piece of evidence I've seen points to this rather than Republicans being right.
- kaesar14 5y ago
  I'm not saying the Republicans have better sources of information or that they're better informed. I'm saying the mainstream news outlets are completely undeserving of our trust considering how agenda-driven and partisan most of them are. My contention is "trusting the mass media" is not inherently a positive quality.
  - p_j_w 5y ago
    >My contention is "trusting the mass media" is not inherently a positive quality. Maybe not inherently good, but few things are. Given that people who trust the mass media, on average, have a more accurate view of what's happening in the world, it most certainly seems to be better than the alternative, does it not?
    - kaesar14 5y ago
      The mass media peddled lies to sell us on atrocities like the Iraq War, refused to hold the Obama administration accountable for the prosecution of financial crimes, and often have a media bias pro the Democratic party in general. How much airtime would the Hunter Biden story have gotten on MSM if it’d been Eric Trump? Like yeah, maybe CNN believes climate change is real, but on the issues that matter they’ve failed a countless number of times to inform the public on issues that matter. Settling for their garbage is pointless.
- boppo1 5y ago
  I'm not republican per-se, but I identify as somewhat conservative. I get my news by assembling multiple stories about events, along with any social media non professional reporting I can get. Generally speaking, I don't believe there's enough good information out there such that I can have a real idea of 'what's going on' outside of things directly in my life and community. >Every piece of evidence I've seen Did you believe it when they said inflation was going to be transitory? How about when they had back-to-back headlines that Powell 'saved the economy' and that 'Billionaires quadrupled their wealth during the crisis'?
  - p_j_w 5y ago
    >Generally speaking, I don't believe there's enough good information out there such that I can have a real idea of 'what's going on' outside of things directly in my life and community. That's a pretty extreme epistemological stance to take. I can't refute it (I've personally gone down that road before), but I also don't see how one can hold that stance while also identifying with any political position at all and believing that they have solid justification for it. >Did you believe it when they said inflation was going to be transitory? Did "the media" say this, or did they report that that's the government's position on the matter? Has inflation proven to not be transitory? >How about when they had back-to-back headlines that Powell 'saved the economy' and that 'Billionaires quadrupled their wealth during the crisis'? The only place I recall ever reading that Powell saved the economy is WallStreetBets memes. Regardless of that, is the issue here that these headlines are contradictory?

p_j_w 5y ago

>Meh, maybe it's the Republicans who have the right idea on trusting the news media here vs. the Democrats. Given the percentage of Republicans that believe the 2020 election was actually stolen, how do you justify this view? Are the outlets that Republicans DO trust providing more reputable news, or are they spewing complete nonsense that is far more wrong than the mainstream news media? Every piece of evidence I've seen points to this rather than Republicans being right.

kaesar14 5y ago
I'm not saying the Republicans have better sources of information or that they're better informed. I'm saying the mainstream news outlets are completely undeserving of our trust considering how agenda-driven and partisan most of them are. My contention is "trusting the mass media" is not inherently a positive quality.
- p_j_w 5y ago
  >My contention is "trusting the mass media" is not inherently a positive quality. Maybe not inherently good, but few things are. Given that people who trust the mass media, on average, have a more accurate view of what's happening in the world, it most certainly seems to be better than the alternative, does it not?
  - kaesar14 5y ago
    The mass media peddled lies to sell us on atrocities like the Iraq War, refused to hold the Obama administration accountable for the prosecution of financial crimes, and often have a media bias pro the Democratic party in general. How much airtime would the Hunter Biden story have gotten on MSM if it’d been Eric Trump? Like yeah, maybe CNN believes climate change is real, but on the issues that matter they’ve failed a countless number of times to inform the public on issues that matter. Settling for their garbage is pointless.
boppo1 5y ago
I'm not republican per-se, but I identify as somewhat conservative. I get my news by assembling multiple stories about events, along with any social media non professional reporting I can get. Generally speaking, I don't believe there's enough good information out there such that I can have a real idea of 'what's going on' outside of things directly in my life and community. >Every piece of evidence I've seen Did you believe it when they said inflation was going to be transitory? How about when they had back-to-back headlines that Powell 'saved the economy' and that 'Billionaires quadrupled their wealth during the crisis'?
- p_j_w 5y ago
  >Generally speaking, I don't believe there's enough good information out there such that I can have a real idea of 'what's going on' outside of things directly in my life and community. That's a pretty extreme epistemological stance to take. I can't refute it (I've personally gone down that road before), but I also don't see how one can hold that stance while also identifying with any political position at all and believing that they have solid justification for it. >Did you believe it when they said inflation was going to be transitory? Did "the media" say this, or did they report that that's the government's position on the matter? Has inflation proven to not be transitory? >How about when they had back-to-back headlines that Powell 'saved the economy' and that 'Billionaires quadrupled their wealth during the crisis'? The only place I recall ever reading that Powell saved the economy is WallStreetBets memes. Regardless of that, is the issue here that these headlines are contradictory?