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>it seems like most of the critiques of social media coming from big / old media are just symptoms of having their revenue bled away I feel that so many people

by jdhn 5y ago

>it seems like most of the critiques of social media coming from big / old media are just symptoms of having their revenue bled away I feel that so many people blindly hate Facebook that they overlook this point. The loudest critics of social media are the old vanguards of news who are upset that the new kid on the block took their ad money.

corinroyal 5y ago
"Blindly"
yanderekko 5y ago
>The loudest critics of social media are the old vanguards of news who are upset that the new kid on the block took their ad money. Also activists who are clearly engaging in motivated reasoning in arguing that Facebook needs to do more to censor conservative opinions.
- KaiserPro 5y ago
  > Also activists who are clearly engaging in motivated reasoning in arguing that Facebook needs to do more to censor censor _everything_
- joshstrange 5y ago
  > conservative opinions That's an interesting way to say "misinformation".
  - pcf 5y ago
    Everything in society is between "progressive" and "conservative" values. To say that "conservative opinions" are simply "misinformation", is very misinformed in itself.
    - joshstrange 5y ago
      Read the whole comment I replied to. There is no one trying to just censor conservative opinions, they are trying to censor conservative misinformation. I wasn’t painting all conservative opinions as misinformation, I’m was saying the things people want censored is the misinformation, not just opinions.
      - tablespoon 5y ago
        > Read the whole comment I replied to. There is no one trying to just censor conservative opinions, they are trying to censor conservative misinformation. Exactly. There's there a popular bit of spin that tries defend mis/disinformation by confusing it with political opinion. One of the signs of American decline and weakness is how several bits of blatant mis/disinformation have lodged themselves in the conservative discourse, and the conservatives who have problem with that are too weak to do anything about it. I'm not saying that couldn't also be true of liberals, but that doesn't and shouldn't mean conservatives are off the hook for their own problems.
      - pcf 5y ago
        > There is no one trying to just censor conservative opinions Hm? There are lots and lots of people and companies trying to censor conservative opinions. I don't know if you've managed to read/consume the whole news spectrum over the last years, but I recommend that you pay regular attention to both progressive/liberal AND conservative outlets. Then you would know better than to say something like this.
        joshstrange 5y ago
        Context people. Context. I’m talking about Facebook. I’m talking about the conservatives that complain that FB is censoring their posts. Posts that are largely, if not completely, mis/disinformation about a myriad of topics. Of course there exists people who want the censor conservative voices, full stop. I’m aware those people exist, but that’s clearly not who I’m talking about in this context and I think you know that.
        5y ago
- asdfman123 5y ago
  Lies aren't opinions. "Hillary Clinton is a Gila Monster" is not an opinion but a complete fabrication. That's what mainstream liberals are deeply concerned about, not conservative ideas about taxation.
  - chmod600 5y ago
    But in practice it's taking out things that appear to be true or at least a viable theory. For instance, the reporting on Hunter Biden's laptop, and the lab leak theory. So be concerned about people calling Clinton a Gila Monster if that's your most pressing concern. But by censoring it, you will also miss out on contrarian reporting that's actually true.
  - bodge5000 5y ago
    Maybe I'm behind on the times but I don't think liberals are kept up at night by the idea of someone putting on facebook that the clintons are a race of green skinned aliens. In actual fact I think, as per usual, the situation is more complicated than that. Some of the censoring may be for fabrications, but the people who decide what is and isn't a fabrication are biased, and therefore leads to opinions at very least being caught up in the mix
pm90 5y ago
Facebook has had an outsize impact on society, they have a lot of power. I believe they (and any other agent that has that effect on society) are pretty much fair game for the press to cover; that’s literally their job.
6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
This doesnt make sense. Which is it? Everyone blindly hating FB? Or just old media?

by jdhn 5y ago

corinroyal 5y ago

"Blindly"

yanderekko 5y ago

>The loudest critics of social media are the old vanguards of news who are upset that the new kid on the block took their ad money. Also activists who are clearly engaging in motivated reasoning in arguing that Facebook needs to do more to censor conservative opinions.

KaiserPro 5y ago
> Also activists who are clearly engaging in motivated reasoning in arguing that Facebook needs to do more to censor censor _everything_
joshstrange 5y ago
> conservative opinions That's an interesting way to say "misinformation".
- pcf 5y ago
  Everything in society is between "progressive" and "conservative" values. To say that "conservative opinions" are simply "misinformation", is very misinformed in itself.
  - joshstrange 5y ago
    Read the whole comment I replied to. There is no one trying to just censor conservative opinions, they are trying to censor conservative misinformation. I wasn’t painting all conservative opinions as misinformation, I’m was saying the things people want censored is the misinformation, not just opinions.
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > Read the whole comment I replied to. There is no one trying to just censor conservative opinions, they are trying to censor conservative misinformation. Exactly. There's there a popular bit of spin that tries defend mis/disinformation by confusing it with political opinion. One of the signs of American decline and weakness is how several bits of blatant mis/disinformation have lodged themselves in the conservative discourse, and the conservatives who have problem with that are too weak to do anything about it. I'm not saying that couldn't also be true of liberals, but that doesn't and shouldn't mean conservatives are off the hook for their own problems.
    - pcf 5y ago
      > There is no one trying to just censor conservative opinions Hm? There are lots and lots of people and companies trying to censor conservative opinions. I don't know if you've managed to read/consume the whole news spectrum over the last years, but I recommend that you pay regular attention to both progressive/liberal AND conservative outlets. Then you would know better than to say something like this.
      - joshstrange 5y ago
        Context people. Context. I’m talking about Facebook. I’m talking about the conservatives that complain that FB is censoring their posts. Posts that are largely, if not completely, mis/disinformation about a myriad of topics. Of course there exists people who want the censor conservative voices, full stop. I’m aware those people exist, but that’s clearly not who I’m talking about in this context and I think you know that.
        5y ago
asdfman123 5y ago
Lies aren't opinions. "Hillary Clinton is a Gila Monster" is not an opinion but a complete fabrication. That's what mainstream liberals are deeply concerned about, not conservative ideas about taxation.
- chmod600 5y ago
  But in practice it's taking out things that appear to be true or at least a viable theory. For instance, the reporting on Hunter Biden's laptop, and the lab leak theory. So be concerned about people calling Clinton a Gila Monster if that's your most pressing concern. But by censoring it, you will also miss out on contrarian reporting that's actually true.
- bodge5000 5y ago
  Maybe I'm behind on the times but I don't think liberals are kept up at night by the idea of someone putting on facebook that the clintons are a race of green skinned aliens. In actual fact I think, as per usual, the situation is more complicated than that. Some of the censoring may be for fabrications, but the people who decide what is and isn't a fabrication are biased, and therefore leads to opinions at very least being caught up in the mix

pm90 5y ago

Facebook has had an outsize impact on society, they have a lot of power. I believe they (and any other agent that has that effect on society) are pretty much fair game for the press to cover; that’s literally their job.

6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago

This doesnt make sense. Which is it? Everyone blindly hating FB? Or just old media?