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> Facebook risks losing its young, liberal staff. Spot on, and not just young, liberal. Old-ish and privacy minded. Mid-aged and right. Two crowds are critica

> Facebook risks losing its young, liberal staff. Spot on, and not just young, liberal. Old-ish and privacy minded. Mid-aged and right. Two crowds are critical though: - this is the talent pool: college campuses. FB's changing tone (sponsoring scholarships, sponsoring scholarships for non tech -> tech transfers, etc) is evident. - this is the management pool: mid-30's to 40's, married, coastal EMs or PMs, that have to explain at dinner parties where they work and why they do it. See: the whistleblower.

qwerpy 5y ago
That management pool isn’t going anywhere. Have a bunch of friends who work at FB, mostly immigrants. They don’t care about the reputation, or don’t have the luxury to. No one confronts them about why they work there at dinner parties. It pays the bills very well and allows them to buy nice houses and send their kids to private school. It’s the lack of work/life balance that gets to them, not the reputation of the employer.
- el_ravager 5y ago
  If they came to capitalist America knowing of its history, they're probably A-OK with being politically abhorrent.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  Exactly. Giving a lot of shits about the reputation of your employer is something people who take high pay and the lifestyle that comes with it for granted do.
jcadam 5y ago
Hey mid-30's to 40's is young..ish.
deltree7 5y ago
HN delusion about their own self-importance is strong on this one. There are millions of talented Engineers who'd die to work for Facebook, Google, Netflix. Top 0.1%ile of 8,000,000,000 is 8 Million. Most woke, liberal graduates were protected from competition from other countries due to their location advantage. Ironically these woke employees are demanding remote work, displaying their usual cluelessness about unintended consequences. Like Brian Armstrong of Coinbase, its time for CEOs of tech companies to voluntarily kick out these entitled SJWs and hire true Capitalists, Libertarians, Indians, & Chinese. There are millions of them in this world and they are extremely talented and hard-working.
- kreeben 5y ago
  >> Capitalists, Libertarians, Indians, & Chinese What a strangely composed list, full of odd ducks, no?
- dogman144 5y ago
  Very much missed the point with a motivated reading of the intent behind what I'm saying. Nicely done! My comment wasn't directed at 0.1% pile. It's directed at mid-tier, good-not-great CS programs that FB is both targeting in ways that other FAANGs don't, and also have put on heavy marketing programs at. Signal or noise, hard to say, but they wouldn't be doing it if the need didn't exist . What matters more is the self-fulfilling prophecy of if the PMs/EMs with the cultural sway decide to check out. It's incorrect to think these types don't matter due to the externalities tied to them, not just their management talent (there are a lot of good managers). An example is will the future Sheryl Sandbergs work, or not work at FB. These dinner table conversations are what starts to decide that, and their decision has a material impact on the company's future.
  - deltree7 5y ago
    once again, you are over-estimating the powerful SJW Unioin. A lot of talented libertarian, conservative people can't work at facebook because it's too woke. May be a Sheryl Sandberg will make way for Peter Thiels...and it's a fantastic thing for FB. At this point too many FBers have to walk on eggshells. A clean cut of SJWs will make FB a better and more powerful company
    - MisterBastahrd 5y ago
      No, they can't work at Facebook because they aren't as talented as they think they are. Part of the libertarian / conservative delusion is that the "system" is working against them because of what they believe, and that it can't possibly be because they aren't making the cut due to talent. Profit-oriented, billion dollar companies are not discriminating against talent unless they have serious personality issues.
    - echlebek 5y ago

qwerpy 5y ago

That management pool isn’t going anywhere. Have a bunch of friends who work at FB, mostly immigrants. They don’t care about the reputation, or don’t have the luxury to. No one confronts them about why they work there at dinner parties. It pays the bills very well and allows them to buy nice houses and send their kids to private school. It’s the lack of work/life balance that gets to them, not the reputation of the employer.

el_ravager 5y ago
If they came to capitalist America knowing of its history, they're probably A-OK with being politically abhorrent.
throwaway0a5e 5y ago
Exactly. Giving a lot of shits about the reputation of your employer is something people who take high pay and the lifestyle that comes with it for granted do.

jcadam 5y ago

Hey mid-30's to 40's is young..ish.

deltree7 5y ago

HN delusion about their own self-importance is strong on this one. There are millions of talented Engineers who'd die to work for Facebook, Google, Netflix. Top 0.1%ile of 8,000,000,000 is 8 Million. Most woke, liberal graduates were protected from competition from other countries due to their location advantage. Ironically these woke employees are demanding remote work, displaying their usual cluelessness about unintended consequences. Like Brian Armstrong of Coinbase, its time for CEOs of tech companies to voluntarily kick out these entitled SJWs and hire true Capitalists, Libertarians, Indians, & Chinese. There are millions of them in this world and they are extremely talented and hard-working.

kreeben 5y ago
>> Capitalists, Libertarians, Indians, & Chinese What a strangely composed list, full of odd ducks, no?
dogman144 5y ago
Very much missed the point with a motivated reading of the intent behind what I'm saying. Nicely done! My comment wasn't directed at 0.1% pile. It's directed at mid-tier, good-not-great CS programs that FB is both targeting in ways that other FAANGs don't, and also have put on heavy marketing programs at. Signal or noise, hard to say, but they wouldn't be doing it if the need didn't exist . What matters more is the self-fulfilling prophecy of if the PMs/EMs with the cultural sway decide to check out. It's incorrect to think these types don't matter due to the externalities tied to them, not just their management talent (there are a lot of good managers). An example is will the future Sheryl Sandbergs work, or not work at FB. These dinner table conversations are what starts to decide that, and their decision has a material impact on the company's future.
- deltree7 5y ago
  once again, you are over-estimating the powerful SJW Unioin. A lot of talented libertarian, conservative people can't work at facebook because it's too woke. May be a Sheryl Sandberg will make way for Peter Thiels...and it's a fantastic thing for FB. At this point too many FBers have to walk on eggshells. A clean cut of SJWs will make FB a better and more powerful company
  - MisterBastahrd 5y ago
    No, they can't work at Facebook because they aren't as talented as they think they are. Part of the libertarian / conservative delusion is that the "system" is working against them because of what they believe, and that it can't possibly be because they aren't making the cut due to talent. Profit-oriented, billion dollar companies are not discriminating against talent unless they have serious personality issues.
  - echlebek 5y ago