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But the subject of the wiki page is the observed effects on wives (specifically in Japanese culture), not husbands. There's surely plenty of literature out ther

But the subject of the wiki page is the observed effects on wives (specifically in Japanese culture), not husbands. There's surely plenty of literature out there on how retired people feel.

hungryforcodes 5y ago
And? That it only talks about women's and not men's experiences is for sure a fair criticism.
- Jabbles 5y ago
  The men don't suffer from RHS though, so it's less relevant on an article about RHS. Perhaps there is another article that could be written about them.
  - hungryforcodes 5y ago
    Or they could report about the "male" version and make it more balanced. How is that not fair?
    - ginko 5y ago
      Because the number of retirement age Japanese couples where the man stayed at home and the woman worked full-time late into the evenings for her entire career is probably in the hundreds.
      - hungryforcodes 5y ago
        No my point was more -- there must be a male experience of "I'm not working any more suddenly -- now that I've just retired-- and have to hang around at home all the time with nothing to do and my wife seems angry about it." How does that feel for them?
        stnmtn 5y ago
        Do you think that there's not studies that dive into this?
        hungryforcodes 5y ago
        Are there?
        stnmtn 5y ago
        Again I'm just confused as to why you're mad about this when you haven't even googled anything. Why are you putting the burden on me when you are the one complaining they don't exist while spending 0 effort to see if there are any? I'm 1000% positive that there's heaps of research on this, just google "study on male retirees"
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        hungryforcodes 5y ago
        I'm sorry -- I can see you are deeply affected by this for some reason. So I apologize. The problem is with me obviously. I had some questions about about the POV of the article and none of those questions reflect negatively on you. It's true I don't know who you are-- but that is not important. I hope we can make your opinion and experience feel respected and whatever I said about this topic was really just me bantering on a personal level. Let's just accept our differences and move on to have a great day :)
        bellyfullofbac 5y ago
        Of course there is, but that's not the subject of this Wikipedia article... Imagine if there's an article about what the psychological effects are if you have a family member in deep coma for many years. You're complaining that that article isn't talking about the effects of being in deep coma for many years on a person. They're different subjects!
  - denton-scratch 5y ago
    Well, that's not surprising; RHS is defined as a condition of women. Men can't get it. I don't believe "RHS" exists as a real medical condition. It sounds just like girlies being girly, with teddy-bears and social circles and so on; and blokes being blokey and controlling the remote. This is just people being people.
belorn 5y ago
It is important to note that wikpedia articles is limited to what exist in sources, and if the sources don't consider alternative perspectives than the article can't do it. The article do link to Salaryman, and from there Karoshi, which is one observed effect when people has lost their jobs, which in turn is not identical to retirement but has common aspects to it. Both Karoshi and Retired Husband Syndrome are defined as psychosomatic stress-related illness caused by the model breadwinner. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi) It might be worth linking the two together at the bottom of the Retired Husband Syndrome article.

But the subject of the wiki page is the observed effects on wives (specifically in Japanese culture), not husbands. There's surely plenty of literature out there on how retired people feel.

hungryforcodes 5y ago

And? That it only talks about women's and not men's experiences is for sure a fair criticism.

Jabbles 5y ago
The men don't suffer from RHS though, so it's less relevant on an article about RHS. Perhaps there is another article that could be written about them.
- hungryforcodes 5y ago
  Or they could report about the "male" version and make it more balanced. How is that not fair?
  - ginko 5y ago
    Because the number of retirement age Japanese couples where the man stayed at home and the woman worked full-time late into the evenings for her entire career is probably in the hundreds.
    - hungryforcodes 5y ago
      No my point was more -- there must be a male experience of "I'm not working any more suddenly -- now that I've just retired-- and have to hang around at home all the time with nothing to do and my wife seems angry about it." How does that feel for them?
      - stnmtn 5y ago
        Do you think that there's not studies that dive into this?
        hungryforcodes 5y ago
        Are there?
        stnmtn 5y ago
        Again I'm just confused as to why you're mad about this when you haven't even googled anything. Why are you putting the burden on me when you are the one complaining they don't exist while spending 0 effort to see if there are any? I'm 1000% positive that there's heaps of research on this, just google "study on male retirees"
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        hungryforcodes 5y ago
        I'm sorry -- I can see you are deeply affected by this for some reason. So I apologize. The problem is with me obviously. I had some questions about about the POV of the article and none of those questions reflect negatively on you. It's true I don't know who you are-- but that is not important. I hope we can make your opinion and experience feel respected and whatever I said about this topic was really just me bantering on a personal level. Let's just accept our differences and move on to have a great day :)
      - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
        Of course there is, but that's not the subject of this Wikipedia article... Imagine if there's an article about what the psychological effects are if you have a family member in deep coma for many years. You're complaining that that article isn't talking about the effects of being in deep coma for many years on a person. They're different subjects!
- denton-scratch 5y ago
  Well, that's not surprising; RHS is defined as a condition of women. Men can't get it. I don't believe "RHS" exists as a real medical condition. It sounds just like girlies being girly, with teddy-bears and social circles and so on; and blokes being blokey and controlling the remote. This is just people being people.

belorn 5y ago

It is important to note that wikpedia articles is limited to what exist in sources, and if the sources don't consider alternative perspectives than the article can't do it. The article do link to Salaryman, and from there Karoshi, which is one observed effect when people has lost their jobs, which in turn is not identical to retirement but has common aspects to it. Both Karoshi and Retired Husband Syndrome are defined as psychosomatic stress-related illness caused by the model breadwinner. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi) It might be worth linking the two together at the bottom of the Retired Husband Syndrome article.