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I disagree with the author's claim that Haugen's testimony had nothing new. I think it's more likely the author didn't "get it" or didn't want to get it. (This

I disagree with the author's claim that Haugen's testimony had nothing new. I think it's more likely the author didn't "get it" or didn't want to get it. (This piece is so FB apologetic I had to check if the author once worked there.) One of the concepts Haugen introduced to the layman conversation is the idea of human scale vs AI scale. When the author talks about Facebook doing things at scale, he uses scale unqualified which looks outdated post-Haugen's. > Facebook’s entire value to both is as a matchmaker at scale. Facebook's scale here is AI scale and the documents Haugen revealed show that Ai scale is NOT beneficial for one side of this "matchmake". I also bristle when people describe Facebook as matchmakers because there's a difference between sharing a photo of you and your daughter and conveying intent for Facebook to 'matchmake' you with marketers targeting your children. At no point did any parent on Facebook tick a box that says "show me products and services that may benefit my child" and then hand over their child's demographic information.

danrocks 5y ago
> At no point did any parent on Facebook tick a box that says "show me products and services that may benefit my child" and then hand over their child's demographic information. That's quite literally right there in the Terms and Conditions.
- somehnacct3757 5y ago
  The average user doesn't read those or know what they contain. Nor are they written simply enough or succinctly enough to expect that the average user comprehends them. You also may have agreed to them in college with zero kids, so you skipped that part. They also morph over the years and you may not have read the updates. ToS are user-hostile by design.
  - pbalau 5y ago
    This recipient of hot coffee contains hot coffee that is hot.
    - somehnacct3757 5y ago
      If you're referring to the McDonalds hot coffee case then it's a better example than you may realize. The case centers around a customer who has reasonable expectations for the temperature of hot coffee. What she doesn't know is that McDonalds stored their coffee at a much higher temperature than one would reasonably expect, because they advertised that your coffee would be hot when you got to your destination. What follows is a long procession of McDonalds settling burn cases so bad, victims needed skin grafts. Until the case you've probably heard of, where the victim sued for the amount of her skin graft, but the judge awarded her 1 day of McDonald's coffee profits, in an attempt to change McDonald's financial calculus that viewed scalding customers as a cost of business. I think this maps very nicely onto Facebook's terms of service.

danrocks 5y ago

> At no point did any parent on Facebook tick a box that says "show me products and services that may benefit my child" and then hand over their child's demographic information. That's quite literally right there in the Terms and Conditions.

somehnacct3757 5y ago
The average user doesn't read those or know what they contain. Nor are they written simply enough or succinctly enough to expect that the average user comprehends them. You also may have agreed to them in college with zero kids, so you skipped that part. They also morph over the years and you may not have read the updates. ToS are user-hostile by design.
- pbalau 5y ago
  This recipient of hot coffee contains hot coffee that is hot.
  - somehnacct3757 5y ago
    If you're referring to the McDonalds hot coffee case then it's a better example than you may realize. The case centers around a customer who has reasonable expectations for the temperature of hot coffee. What she doesn't know is that McDonalds stored their coffee at a much higher temperature than one would reasonably expect, because they advertised that your coffee would be hot when you got to your destination. What follows is a long procession of McDonalds settling burn cases so bad, victims needed skin grafts. Until the case you've probably heard of, where the victim sued for the amount of her skin graft, but the judge awarded her 1 day of McDonald's coffee profits, in an attempt to change McDonald's financial calculus that viewed scalding customers as a cost of business. I think this maps very nicely onto Facebook's terms of service.