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25 cents worth of Ivermectin sold for $100 or more - it is a $$ based scam

gus_massa 5y ago
There is people using the confusion to make a profit, but my guess is that most of this is just a mix of honest desperation and honest lack of understanding of the scientific method. Medical doctors are trained to cure people but only a small part of them are trained to make good research papers. So a lot of papers about Ivermectin have a control group that is just an unrelated bunch of guys. The problem is the lack of understanding of why it's necessary to have a control group, and the error in old studies about other drugs that showed why it's necessary to use RCT to get reliable results. Other have different errors and red flags, like discussed in the article. They says it's a sign of potencial fraud, I think it's more sloppiness. In any case, they are nor reliable results.
yehosef 5y ago
The high prices are meant to discourage its use. That's why people mistakenly resort to using veterinary formulations - they are cheaper and available but not appropriate for humans.
- aurizon 5y ago
  Ivermectin for horses is the same ivermectin used on cats/dogs and can be eaten by a person in the same weight for weight dose as for a horse. So a dose for a 1000 pound horse is ten times the dose for a human. As indicated by research it is totally ineffective for treating Covid-19. Some people were hurt by eating a horse dose that was ~~10 time too much. Others injected themselves with a horse dose in water. I do not know how many died from these treatments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin
  - yehosef 5y ago
    >As indicated by research This reminds me of a few articles I've seen talking about the "gaslighting of science." There's a fair amount of research indicating the opposite so it's a little more complicated to know what's "indicated by the research".
    - aurizon 5y ago
      There were a few papers in favor of the drug, but they were outed because there were serious flaws - cut and pasted data from other valid papers on Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. All of these pro papers were from suspected fake professional web sites and they were not peer reviewed.

There is people using the confusion to make a profit, but my guess is that most of this is just a mix of honest desperation and honest lack of understanding of the scientific method. Medical doctors are trained to cure people but only a small part of them are trained to make good research papers. So a lot of papers about Ivermectin have a control group that is just an unrelated bunch of guys. The problem is the lack of understanding of why it's necessary to have a control group, and the error in old studies about other drugs that showed why it's necessary to use RCT to get reliable results. Other have different errors and red flags, like discussed in the article. They says it's a sign of potencial fraud, I think it's more sloppiness. In any case, they are nor reliable results.

yehosef 5y ago

The high prices are meant to discourage its use. That's why people mistakenly resort to using veterinary formulations - they are cheaper and available but not appropriate for humans.

aurizon 5y ago
Ivermectin for horses is the same ivermectin used on cats/dogs and can be eaten by a person in the same weight for weight dose as for a horse. So a dose for a 1000 pound horse is ten times the dose for a human. As indicated by research it is totally ineffective for treating Covid-19. Some people were hurt by eating a horse dose that was ~~10 time too much. Others injected themselves with a horse dose in water. I do not know how many died from these treatments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin
- yehosef 5y ago
  >As indicated by research This reminds me of a few articles I've seen talking about the "gaslighting of science." There's a fair amount of research indicating the opposite so it's a little more complicated to know what's "indicated by the research".
  - aurizon 5y ago
    There were a few papers in favor of the drug, but they were outed because there were serious flaws - cut and pasted data from other valid papers on Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. All of these pro papers were from suspected fake professional web sites and they were not peer reviewed.