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Why should Apple or anyone get a percentage? Let me pay at cost plus a fixed fee.

chrisseaton 5y ago
> Why should Apple or anyone get a percentage? Because it’s progressive to do so.
bottled_poe 5y ago
I think you may be living in the 90s. The global population has decided what their privacy and autonomy is worth. An individual cannot move the needle.
rahoulb 5y ago
Why should someone who is making $100 revenue off a transaction pay the same fee as me who's making $1 revenue?
- endisneigh 5y ago
  Because the costs do not scale with the revenue
  - rahoulb 5y ago
    How do you know their costs don't scale? Maybe there's insurance or compliance requirements that also apply? And it begs the question - is "cost-plus" the only valid pricing model?
    - endisneigh 5y ago
      Why would their costs scale with revenue? Cost+ certainly isn't the only valid model. Many people are fine with a 30% cut.
  - mafriese 5y ago
    they do - the first 1m$ only cost 15% - It's btw the same with the Google Play Store
    - endisneigh 5y ago
      The fees scale with revenue - what I'm saying is that Apple's own costs do not scale with the revenue they take from companies on the app store. e.g. A single transaction of $10,000 does not Apple more than $100 other than the beforementioned financial transaction fee.
xuki 5y ago
Sure, roll your own payment system.
whywhywhywhy 5y ago
The real question isn't why they deserve 30% lots of people have plenty of arguments about why they believe it's justified because they provide the hardware and dev tools on iOS. The real question is why I don't have to pay them 30% for software and transactions on my MacBook. Because once you consider that most of those arguments are thrown out.
- mikevm 5y ago
  But you already pay them $99/year for a dev account... why do you have to pay them for every purchase as well?
  - leodriesch 5y ago
    $99/y is really nothing compared to the 30% cut when you look at companies like Epic or Supercell. I’m certain that they could not continue to provide the App Store in its current form without any fee.
  - mafriese 5y ago
    Because the 99$/year are for the dev platform and the 15%/30% cut are for using the infrastructure needed for in app purchases.
- dragandj 5y ago
  "Provide" is a bit vague word for "sell". They _sell_ their hardware and force the developers to use their tools.
- rockbruno 5y ago
  I don't mind the 30% at all, I just mind that I'm forced to because they banned the creation of any and all alternatives. The fact that someone would need to build their own phone + OS just to avoid a fee is both hilarious and scary

> Why should Apple or anyone get a percentage? Because it’s progressive to do so.

I think you may be living in the 90s. The global population has decided what their privacy and autonomy is worth. An individual cannot move the needle.

rahoulb 5y ago

Why should someone who is making $100 revenue off a transaction pay the same fee as me who's making $1 revenue?

endisneigh 5y ago
Because the costs do not scale with the revenue
- rahoulb 5y ago
  How do you know their costs don't scale? Maybe there's insurance or compliance requirements that also apply? And it begs the question - is "cost-plus" the only valid pricing model?
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    Why would their costs scale with revenue? Cost+ certainly isn't the only valid model. Many people are fine with a 30% cut.
- mafriese 5y ago
  they do - the first 1m$ only cost 15% - It's btw the same with the Google Play Store
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    The fees scale with revenue - what I'm saying is that Apple's own costs do not scale with the revenue they take from companies on the app store. e.g. A single transaction of $10,000 does not Apple more than $100 other than the beforementioned financial transaction fee.

xuki 5y ago

Sure, roll your own payment system.

whywhywhywhy 5y ago

The real question isn't why they deserve 30% lots of people have plenty of arguments about why they believe it's justified because they provide the hardware and dev tools on iOS. The real question is why I don't have to pay them 30% for software and transactions on my MacBook. Because once you consider that most of those arguments are thrown out.

mikevm 5y ago
But you already pay them $99/year for a dev account... why do you have to pay them for every purchase as well?
- leodriesch 5y ago
  $99/y is really nothing compared to the 30% cut when you look at companies like Epic or Supercell. I’m certain that they could not continue to provide the App Store in its current form without any fee.
- mafriese 5y ago
  Because the 99$/year are for the dev platform and the 15%/30% cut are for using the infrastructure needed for in app purchases.
dragandj 5y ago
"Provide" is a bit vague word for "sell". They _sell_ their hardware and force the developers to use their tools.
rockbruno 5y ago
I don't mind the 30% at all, I just mind that I'm forced to because they banned the creation of any and all alternatives. The fact that someone would need to build their own phone + OS just to avoid a fee is both hilarious and scary