It all used to be the same scene, at the advent some sceners only being there for gfx art. ( the cracktro and asci/ansi art people, now evolved to demoscene ) E

It all used to be the same scene, at the advent some sceners only being there for gfx art. ( the cracktro and asci/ansi art people, now evolved to demoscene ) Eventually, the scene started to grow, diverge and many groups specialized in only certain aspects. For a while, 0-day exploits where traded the same way people did mp3 or disk images.( It's also where the nomenclature "0-day" stems from ) Different competing scene sites carrying different sets of file types all following the same scene standards & pyramid. Then people started being prosecuted for bullshit more frequently, the earliest example is Mitnick being locked up for being able to whistle nuke launch codes. Actions like these and their increase in numbers and sophistication made people require larger amounts of money in order to keep themselves and other save from predators. Commerce was introduced by some groups in order to pay for security, others such as the still non commercial group CORE kicked all couriers out of the scene for the same reason and refused to race with commercial "leakers". From there everything became the clusterfuck that's left today. In other words, what you call "real blackhat scene" is nothing but a third order simulacrum of what used to be referred to as just "the scene". See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-order_simulacra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-order_simulacra