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> claiming the possibility isn't good enough, you'd need to strongly demonstrate evidence This is true for anyone making any claim here, including the claim th

by jjcon 5y ago

> claiming the possibility isn't good enough, you'd need to strongly demonstrate evidence This is true for anyone making any claim here, including the claim that it is race alone (which i am pointing out is unaccounted for in op post) > it wouldn't be fair to have some children born into a culture that diminishes their opportunity I wholeheartedly disagree. It depends on what a culture values and monetary outcomes isnt everything. As an example, American culture is very different from my own (based in EU though ive lived and am frequently in the US). Our culture is generally less work centric, which may look like worse outcomes on paper, but there are so many things that cant be or aren't measured.

didibus 5y ago
> This is true for anyone making any claim here, including the claim that it is race alone (which i am pointing out is unaccounted for in op post) That's not the claim being made, the claim is the observed gap when grouping the data by race. That is a fact of the data as represented. Why that gap exists is an open question, and so is how to potentially reduce the gap. I think the fact that some people like you jump to believe immediately that it could be due to culture is just showing of your inherent bias. The same is true for those immediately jumping to believe it is caused by racism, that's showing of their inherent bias too. Bias is unsubtiantied beliefs that you bring to the search space. > Our culture is generally less work centric, which may look like worse outcomes on paper, but there are so many things that cant be or aren't measured Three things. The first is that the article is about American jobs in the US. That means culturally we're talking about sub-groups within an American cultural context. The second is that we're comparing the same jobs in the same sector against each other. And the third is that I'd be interested in testing your theory, if true, it would mean that it should predict that if you grouped US tech salaries by your EU based culture, we should also see a lower pay compared to white American culture. I think that be interesting if the data was available for it. And if that does show, then I'd start to say that your theory is on the path of being more demonstrated correct, since it shows predictive capabilities.

by jjcon 5y ago

didibus 5y ago

> This is true for anyone making any claim here, including the claim that it is race alone (which i am pointing out is unaccounted for in op post) That's not the claim being made, the claim is the observed gap when grouping the data by race. That is a fact of the data as represented. Why that gap exists is an open question, and so is how to potentially reduce the gap. I think the fact that some people like you jump to believe immediately that it could be due to culture is just showing of your inherent bias. The same is true for those immediately jumping to believe it is caused by racism, that's showing of their inherent bias too. Bias is unsubtiantied beliefs that you bring to the search space. > Our culture is generally less work centric, which may look like worse outcomes on paper, but there are so many things that cant be or aren't measured Three things. The first is that the article is about American jobs in the US. That means culturally we're talking about sub-groups within an American cultural context. The second is that we're comparing the same jobs in the same sector against each other. And the third is that I'd be interested in testing your theory, if true, it would mean that it should predict that if you grouped US tech salaries by your EU based culture, we should also see a lower pay compared to white American culture. I think that be interesting if the data was available for it. And if that does show, then I'd start to say that your theory is on the path of being more demonstrated correct, since it shows predictive capabilities.