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I’ve read something different, which is that natural immunity likely comes with recognition of multiple markers, not just the spike protein, and therefore gives

I’ve read something different, which is that natural immunity likely comes with recognition of multiple markers, not just the spike protein, and therefore gives you the ability to respond to a wider range of variants. Now I’m not sure what to believe. But in the absence of definitive and absolute evidence, I lean in favor of individual freedoms and civil liberties rather than mandates.

mc32 5y ago
The Science article's[1] subheading quotes: "Israelis who had an infection were more protected against the Delta coronavirus variant than those who had an already highly effective COVID-19 vaccine" [1]https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on...
- lamassu 5y ago
  https://ncrc.jhsph.edu/research/comparing-sars-cov-2-natural-immunity-to-vaccine-induced-immunity-reinfections-versus-breakthrough-infections/ https://ncrc.jhsph.edu/research/comparing-sars-cov-2-natural... "In addition, individuals who were previously infected who received one dose of the Pfizer vaccine were even more protected from breakthrough infection than the naturally infected group. There were no deaths in any of the groups examined. Given that previously infected individuals may have had multiple infections prior to the study period, the overall applicability of the study to all populations needs more clarification. Lastly, these findings should not be taken as an endorsement that getting infected is a better overall option for protection than the highly effective vaccines that are available as only those who survived initial infection were eligible for analysis."
  - mc32 5y ago
    Isn't that apples and oranges comparisons? They're not talking effective rates only relative rates. They could also claim having mRNA + adenovirus vaccines improve efficacy (not sure if there is such a study) but that does not say anything about mRNA vs adenovirus by themselves.

mc32 5y ago

The Science article's[1] subheading quotes: "Israelis who had an infection were more protected against the Delta coronavirus variant than those who had an already highly effective COVID-19 vaccine" [1]https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on...

lamassu 5y ago
https://ncrc.jhsph.edu/research/comparing-sars-cov-2-natural-immunity-to-vaccine-induced-immunity-reinfections-versus-breakthrough-infections/ https://ncrc.jhsph.edu/research/comparing-sars-cov-2-natural... "In addition, individuals who were previously infected who received one dose of the Pfizer vaccine were even more protected from breakthrough infection than the naturally infected group. There were no deaths in any of the groups examined. Given that previously infected individuals may have had multiple infections prior to the study period, the overall applicability of the study to all populations needs more clarification. Lastly, these findings should not be taken as an endorsement that getting infected is a better overall option for protection than the highly effective vaccines that are available as only those who survived initial infection were eligible for analysis."
- mc32 5y ago
  Isn't that apples and oranges comparisons? They're not talking effective rates only relative rates. They could also claim having mRNA + adenovirus vaccines improve efficacy (not sure if there is such a study) but that does not say anything about mRNA vs adenovirus by themselves.