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Mozilla doesn’t need donations. The $450 million it gets from Google each year is enough for a browser. It’s enough to the point that the CEO is having their s

Mozilla doesn’t need donations. The $450 million it gets from Google each year is enough for a browser. It’s enough to the point that the CEO is having their seven figure salary doubled in the last five years. Any money you want to give to Mozilla is just going to be a waste: there are plenty of other open source projects worth supporting instead.

m-p-3 5y ago
I'd rather have them distance themselves from Google and ads revenue entirely.
dblohm7 5y ago
> Mozilla doesn’t need donations. The $450 million it gets from Google each year is enough for a browser. It really isn’t when you factor in Gecko and SpiderMonkey. cue the armchair quarterbacks who think you can do all of this with 20 people
- someotherperson 5y ago
  $450 million is 2,250 people on $200,000 salaries. The pay rise the CEO took over the last five years is equal to an additional 12 engineers receiving the above salary.
  - dblohm7 5y ago
    That’s a gross oversimplification of an org’s budgetary needs, even by back-of-the-napkin standards.
    - someotherperson 5y ago
      No, it’s not a gross oversimplification at all. Let’s stop pretending that the company needs more money. I specifically picked 2,250 engineers because that appears to be more than double what Mozilla currently has. The entire Mozilla payroll is about $280 million with the remaining $170 million (!!) being spent on miscellaneous junk. Let’s stop apologising for mismanagement and thinking throwing more money at Mozilla is going to fix its problems.
      - dblohm7 5y ago
        Oh come on, let’s not pretend that the only expenses a software company has are developer salaries. Especially for something like a browser that has significant security requirements. Do you have any idea how many tests are run across all platforms for every commit? [1] The CI bill alone is huge. [1] https://treeherder.Mozilla.org https://treeherder.Mozilla.org
      - 16bytes 5y ago
        A better estimate of fully loaded cost is $350K. That's still a boatload of people if you take your simple estimate, but companies don't spend 100% of revenue on people. Mozilla foundation has about 650 people which gives it a revenue per employee of around 600K, which is less than most SV companies. The overall corporate spending looks very reasonable. You can look at their non-profit report: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2019/mozilla-fdn-2019-short-form-0926.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2019/mozilla-fdn-201... From their report, their fully loaded cost is around $280K/FTE which is reasonable for anywhere in SF/SV.

m-p-3 5y ago

I'd rather have them distance themselves from Google and ads revenue entirely.

dblohm7 5y ago

> Mozilla doesn’t need donations. The $450 million it gets from Google each year is enough for a browser. It really isn’t when you factor in Gecko and SpiderMonkey. cue the armchair quarterbacks who think you can do all of this with 20 people

someotherperson 5y ago
$450 million is 2,250 people on $200,000 salaries. The pay rise the CEO took over the last five years is equal to an additional 12 engineers receiving the above salary.
- dblohm7 5y ago
  That’s a gross oversimplification of an org’s budgetary needs, even by back-of-the-napkin standards.
  - someotherperson 5y ago
    No, it’s not a gross oversimplification at all. Let’s stop pretending that the company needs more money. I specifically picked 2,250 engineers because that appears to be more than double what Mozilla currently has. The entire Mozilla payroll is about $280 million with the remaining $170 million (!!) being spent on miscellaneous junk. Let’s stop apologising for mismanagement and thinking throwing more money at Mozilla is going to fix its problems.
    - dblohm7 5y ago
      Oh come on, let’s not pretend that the only expenses a software company has are developer salaries. Especially for something like a browser that has significant security requirements. Do you have any idea how many tests are run across all platforms for every commit? [1] The CI bill alone is huge. [1] https://treeherder.Mozilla.org https://treeherder.Mozilla.org
    - 16bytes 5y ago
      A better estimate of fully loaded cost is $350K. That's still a boatload of people if you take your simple estimate, but companies don't spend 100% of revenue on people. Mozilla foundation has about 650 people which gives it a revenue per employee of around 600K, which is less than most SV companies. The overall corporate spending looks very reasonable. You can look at their non-profit report: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2019/mozilla-fdn-2019-short-form-0926.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2019/mozilla-fdn-201... From their report, their fully loaded cost is around $280K/FTE which is reasonable for anywhere in SF/SV.