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Oh frak, not again. Mozilla, please, allow us to donate money in a way that we can be sure it will be used for developing Firefox and not for some nonsensica

Oh frak, not again. Mozilla, please, allow us to donate money in a way that we can be sure it will be used for *developing Firefox* and not for some nonsensical Mozilla Foundation project.

2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
If they can develop a decent VPN product or password manager, I would also pay for that.
- someotherperson 5y ago
  Please no. No more Mozilla junk. There are plenty of VPN products and equally as many Password Managers. It’s focusing on junk like Lockwise instead of Firefox that is causing Mozilla to consistently get worse.
  - dralley 5y ago
    Half of the critics always complain that Mozilla is too reliant on Google, the other half complain that they spend any time whatsoever on profitable side projects that give them independent sources of revenue.
  - 2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
    How else do you propose they fund the development of their browser?
- m-p-3 5y ago
  I'd pay for Firefox Relay to have unlimited aliases.
someotherperson 5y ago
Mozilla doesn’t need donations. The $450 million it gets from Google each year is enough for a browser. It’s enough to the point that the CEO is having their seven figure salary doubled in the last five years. Any money you want to give to Mozilla is just going to be a waste: there are plenty of other open source projects worth supporting instead.
- m-p-3 5y ago
  I'd rather have them distance themselves from Google and ads revenue entirely.
- dblohm7 5y ago
  > Mozilla doesn’t need donations. The $450 million it gets from Google each year is enough for a browser. It really isn’t when you factor in Gecko and SpiderMonkey. cue the armchair quarterbacks who think you can do all of this with 20 people
  - someotherperson 5y ago
    $450 million is 2,250 people on $200,000 salaries. The pay rise the CEO took over the last five years is equal to an additional 12 engineers receiving the above salary.
    - dblohm7 5y ago
      That’s a gross oversimplification of an org’s budgetary needs, even by back-of-the-napkin standards.
      - someotherperson 5y ago
        No, it’s not a gross oversimplification at all. Let’s stop pretending that the company needs more money. I specifically picked 2,250 engineers because that appears to be more than double what Mozilla currently has. The entire Mozilla payroll is about $280 million with the remaining $170 million (!!) being spent on miscellaneous junk. Let’s stop apologising for mismanagement and thinking throwing more money at Mozilla is going to fix its problems.
        dblohm7 5y ago
        Oh come on, let’s not pretend that the only expenses a software company has are developer salaries. Especially for something like a browser that has significant security requirements. Do you have any idea how many tests are run across all platforms for every commit? [1] The CI bill alone is huge. [1] https://treeherder.Mozilla.org https://treeherder.Mozilla.org

Oh frak, not again. Mozilla, please, allow us to donate money in a way that we can be sure it will be used for *developing Firefox* and not for some nonsensica

Oh frak, not again. Mozilla, please, allow us to donate money in a way that we can be sure it will be used for *developing Firefox* and not for some nonsensical Mozilla Foundation project.

2muchcoffeeman 5y ago

If they can develop a decent VPN product or password manager, I would also pay for that.

someotherperson 5y ago
Please no. No more Mozilla junk. There are plenty of VPN products and equally as many Password Managers. It’s focusing on junk like Lockwise instead of Firefox that is causing Mozilla to consistently get worse.
- dralley 5y ago
  Half of the critics always complain that Mozilla is too reliant on Google, the other half complain that they spend any time whatsoever on profitable side projects that give them independent sources of revenue.
- 2muchcoffeeman 5y ago
  How else do you propose they fund the development of their browser?
m-p-3 5y ago
I'd pay for Firefox Relay to have unlimited aliases.

someotherperson 5y ago

Mozilla doesn’t need donations. The $450 million it gets from Google each year is enough for a browser. It’s enough to the point that the CEO is having their seven figure salary doubled in the last five years. Any money you want to give to Mozilla is just going to be a waste: there are plenty of other open source projects worth supporting instead.

m-p-3 5y ago
I'd rather have them distance themselves from Google and ads revenue entirely.
dblohm7 5y ago
> Mozilla doesn’t need donations. The $450 million it gets from Google each year is enough for a browser. It really isn’t when you factor in Gecko and SpiderMonkey. cue the armchair quarterbacks who think you can do all of this with 20 people
- someotherperson 5y ago
  $450 million is 2,250 people on $200,000 salaries. The pay rise the CEO took over the last five years is equal to an additional 12 engineers receiving the above salary.
  - dblohm7 5y ago
    That’s a gross oversimplification of an org’s budgetary needs, even by back-of-the-napkin standards.
    - someotherperson 5y ago
      No, it’s not a gross oversimplification at all. Let’s stop pretending that the company needs more money. I specifically picked 2,250 engineers because that appears to be more than double what Mozilla currently has. The entire Mozilla payroll is about $280 million with the remaining $170 million (!!) being spent on miscellaneous junk. Let’s stop apologising for mismanagement and thinking throwing more money at Mozilla is going to fix its problems.
      - dblohm7 5y ago
        Oh come on, let’s not pretend that the only expenses a software company has are developer salaries. Especially for something like a browser that has significant security requirements. Do you have any idea how many tests are run across all platforms for every commit? [1] The CI bill alone is huge. [1] https://treeherder.Mozilla.org https://treeherder.Mozilla.org