5 ms·

I don’t know enough about this to comment, except to say, gee, isn’t the social and business life of human adults complicated? Yes it is. It is complicated. Ho

I don’t know enough about this to comment, except to say, gee, isn’t the social and business life of human adults complicated? Yes it is. It is complicated. How strange, then, that so many people seem to jump with both feet into complicated shared ownership arrangements with near strangers— leading to the absurdity of public messages flying around instead keeping these communications private to the specific people who understand them? Why am I even seeing this shit? That is auto-fail right there.

dgb23 5y ago
Because it is a public open source project?
- cormacrelf 5y ago
  They're discussing this on a public forum, but only sharing screenshots of small sections of PDFs which remain private. The CLAs are the governing documents here, and nobody except the people who have access to those agreements in full have any business even forming an opinion as to what rights are held by whom. Posting selected parts (literally just the definitions section, the non operative part!) for public point-scoring is pretty ridiculous. Either shut up and email them privately, or post the entire thing so people can see what you've signed up for. (The outdated copy of the agreement that's available online is not good enough.)
  - cdogl 5y ago
    I'm sympathetic to this argument, but the fact that the blog posts, discussions, tweet threads etc. under issue are publicly viewable (that's the web!) doesn't imply an obligation that members of the debate perform for the public as if it were a political debate or a court room. I suspect that the intended audience of posts by aggrieved maintainers is other maintainers in the community. Oughtn't they be able to communicate and organise without putting their communications under lock and key? Here we are now discussing it privately on HN and GitHub as we're a bunch of busy-bodies, but I am not necessarily prepared to blame the maintainers for that.
    - cormacrelf 5y ago
      Someone here claims that DNF has forced all comms onto the public forums, and if that’s the case I think you’re right.
- satisfice 5y ago
  Yes. Stop that. Or else maybe don’t be surprised when it all goes wrong. Communal projects are an invitation to drama.
temp8964 5y ago
This sh8t is part of modern day by day outrage campaign. The new normal? You would think GitHub is where rational people get together. Apparently not. Remember the Linux Foundation ban the whole university bc of ...? This whole sh8t is spreading like a disease from college campus to social media to workplace to everywhere. https://www.thecoddling.com/ https://www.thecoddling.com/
kuschku 5y ago
Because the Dot Net Foundation shut down all internal means of communication and directed people to the public forum.

dgb23 5y ago

Because it is a public open source project?

cormacrelf 5y ago
They're discussing this on a public forum, but only sharing screenshots of small sections of PDFs which remain private. The CLAs are the governing documents here, and nobody except the people who have access to those agreements in full have any business even forming an opinion as to what rights are held by whom. Posting selected parts (literally just the definitions section, the non operative part!) for public point-scoring is pretty ridiculous. Either shut up and email them privately, or post the entire thing so people can see what you've signed up for. (The outdated copy of the agreement that's available online is not good enough.)
- cdogl 5y ago
  I'm sympathetic to this argument, but the fact that the blog posts, discussions, tweet threads etc. under issue are publicly viewable (that's the web!) doesn't imply an obligation that members of the debate perform for the public as if it were a political debate or a court room. I suspect that the intended audience of posts by aggrieved maintainers is other maintainers in the community. Oughtn't they be able to communicate and organise without putting their communications under lock and key? Here we are now discussing it privately on HN and GitHub as we're a bunch of busy-bodies, but I am not necessarily prepared to blame the maintainers for that.
  - cormacrelf 5y ago
    Someone here claims that DNF has forced all comms onto the public forums, and if that’s the case I think you’re right.
satisfice 5y ago
Yes. Stop that. Or else maybe don’t be surprised when it all goes wrong. Communal projects are an invitation to drama.

temp8964 5y ago

This sh8t is part of modern day by day outrage campaign. The new normal? You would think GitHub is where rational people get together. Apparently not. Remember the Linux Foundation ban the whole university bc of ...? This whole sh8t is spreading like a disease from college campus to social media to workplace to everywhere. https://www.thecoddling.com/ https://www.thecoddling.com/

kuschku 5y ago

Because the Dot Net Foundation shut down all internal means of communication and directed people to the public forum.