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Context: https://github.com/dotnet-foundation/Home/discussions/38 https://github.com/dotnet-foundation/Home/discussions/38

sneak 5y ago
It's so ridiculously annoying when an apology or PR statement assumes complete and total familiarity with the existing goings-on. There's even a whole language of euphemism around it. "Recent events involving the community", et c. So lame!
- remexre 5y ago
  I think the goal of that language is to avoid an increase in drama from random people outside the community (e.g. us!) reacting to the apology without actually being an affected party. If you don't know what the apology's referring to, it's probably not directed to you!
  - samhw 5y ago
    And also, I strongly suspect, because any description of the events is likely to be considered tendentious by some of the upset parties. Much easier to avoid the issues that come with having to write a balanced history of it.
- carrolldunham 5y ago
  Well, except why someone be reading it if they were not?
- cortesoft 5y ago
  Umm the people who she is apologizing to know why she is apologizing... I don't think it is super important to educate the peanut gallery on the issue... if you don't know what the apology is for, the apology doesn't really matter to you.
lostmsu 5y ago
The GitHub Enterprise organization thing poses a request to GitHub: is there an audit trail for this kind of operations (moving organization to be a part of another org)? If there's none yet, the need is apparent.
sorenjan 5y ago
So it seems that the root of the whole mess is that the .NET Foundation demands that every project lets a centralized and anonymous committee enforce their code of conduct by banning users from all member projects. https://github.com/dotnet-foundation/projects/issues/174 https://github.com/dotnet-foundation/projects/issues/174 https://dotnetfoundation.org/about/code-of-conduct https://dotnetfoundation.org/about/code-of-conduct
- oaiey 5y ago
  No, that was not their problem. CoC violations have not been a problem here. It is the complete lack of communication and a enforcement of other things (the .NET Foundation things they should do), like account management, code ownership and collaboration model. All of that is however, quite debatable whether it should or should not done by the foundation, but the utterly lack of communication and community participation is the problem here.

sneak 5y ago

It's so ridiculously annoying when an apology or PR statement assumes complete and total familiarity with the existing goings-on. There's even a whole language of euphemism around it. "Recent events involving the community", et c. So lame!

remexre 5y ago
I think the goal of that language is to avoid an increase in drama from random people outside the community (e.g. us!) reacting to the apology without actually being an affected party. If you don't know what the apology's referring to, it's probably not directed to you!
- samhw 5y ago
  And also, I strongly suspect, because any description of the events is likely to be considered tendentious by some of the upset parties. Much easier to avoid the issues that come with having to write a balanced history of it.
carrolldunham 5y ago
Well, except why someone be reading it if they were not?
cortesoft 5y ago
Umm the people who she is apologizing to know why she is apologizing... I don't think it is super important to educate the peanut gallery on the issue... if you don't know what the apology is for, the apology doesn't really matter to you.

lostmsu 5y ago

The GitHub Enterprise organization thing poses a request to GitHub: is there an audit trail for this kind of operations (moving organization to be a part of another org)? If there's none yet, the need is apparent.

sorenjan 5y ago

So it seems that the root of the whole mess is that the .NET Foundation demands that every project lets a centralized and anonymous committee enforce their code of conduct by banning users from all member projects. https://github.com/dotnet-foundation/projects/issues/174 https://github.com/dotnet-foundation/projects/issues/174 https://dotnetfoundation.org/about/code-of-conduct https://dotnetfoundation.org/about/code-of-conduct

oaiey 5y ago
No, that was not their problem. CoC violations have not been a problem here. It is the complete lack of communication and a enforcement of other things (the .NET Foundation things they should do), like account management, code ownership and collaboration model. All of that is however, quite debatable whether it should or should not done by the foundation, but the utterly lack of communication and community participation is the problem here.