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I can't help but love the fact that PaymoneyWubby (a fat ginger nerd who makes interesting content, at least on youtube) makes more than pokimaine and Amouranth

I can't help but love the fact that PaymoneyWubby (a fat ginger nerd who makes interesting content, at least on youtube) makes more than pokimaine and Amouranth whose primary feature seems to be young, attractive, and female. Perhaps there's a tiny bit of justice in the world.

RobLach 5y ago
What's the justice?
- NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
  Merit and effort can beat being a genetic lottery winner.
  - RobLach 5y ago
    Ridiculous. That's being irrationally dismissive of the effort and merit it takes to win in an attention market in a particular way purely because of a personally biased judgement of value. The real genetic lottery winner on Twitch is being a white male given the relate-ability to the majority of Twitch's audience, and as the data leaked supports. I mean even consider the cost those creators have to bear of dealing with people who are constantly claiming that their success in somehow invalid.
SixDouble5321 5y ago
It's more like a legitimately good streamer has to also be attractive to make money as a female. Not the other way around.
rasz 5y ago
Splitting earnings by gender reveals females arent doing that hot on twitch.
- mhh__ 5y ago
  This excludes donations, that probably tips the balance a bit more female although no idea how much since we have no data
zeouter 5y ago
... that does sound quite misogynistic. Like the sole comparisons you raise (and insult) are women.
- mhh__ 5y ago
  I see your point but it's really just a fact of online life that you can make a lot of money as a woman on twitch. That isn't to say that all women streamers are exploiting that fact i.e. aren't making actual content, but it's simply (simp-ly?) a different calculus which I can't really blame anyone who can stomach it for exploiting.
  - zeouter 5y ago
    According to this data, only 3% of Twitch’s top-earning streamers are women... so I don't agree.
  - balancemayvary 5y ago
    Wrong. You need to get some therapy and stop blaming women.
mkishi 5y ago
Donations probably dwarf subscription earnings, I'm not sure it's that black and white.
- ehsankia 5y ago
  Indeed. A comment above also estimated sub money to be ~1/4 of streamer's earnings, but as you mention that can vary quite widely, and in my experience it does quite so for female streamers. Pre-OF sex work is quite a lot like that too, you generally have a few whales making up ~90% of your revenue on cam sites, which is not great. On Twitch too, in my experience looking at "top donators", it's usually just a few handful of people giving big sums to female streamers.
0xdeadb00f 5y ago
That may be true about amoruanth but Pokimane is genuinely just as content-driven and "gamer" as any of the top (like xqc for instance). There's more to her streams than her looking pretty - the same probably can't be said about amouranth.
aoeusnth1 5y ago
What's your beef with pokimane? She's a gamer.
werid 5y ago
and yet all the other women who aren't earning much gets blamed for stealing viewers and money from guys who aren't the last bit entertaining. justice? hardly.

RobLach 5y ago

What's the justice?

NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
Merit and effort can beat being a genetic lottery winner.
- RobLach 5y ago
  Ridiculous. That's being irrationally dismissive of the effort and merit it takes to win in an attention market in a particular way purely because of a personally biased judgement of value. The real genetic lottery winner on Twitch is being a white male given the relate-ability to the majority of Twitch's audience, and as the data leaked supports. I mean even consider the cost those creators have to bear of dealing with people who are constantly claiming that their success in somehow invalid.

SixDouble5321 5y ago

It's more like a legitimately good streamer has to also be attractive to make money as a female. Not the other way around.

rasz 5y ago

Splitting earnings by gender reveals females arent doing that hot on twitch.

mhh__ 5y ago
This excludes donations, that probably tips the balance a bit more female although no idea how much since we have no data

zeouter 5y ago

... that does sound quite misogynistic. Like the sole comparisons you raise (and insult) are women.

mhh__ 5y ago
I see your point but it's really just a fact of online life that you can make a lot of money as a woman on twitch. That isn't to say that all women streamers are exploiting that fact i.e. aren't making actual content, but it's simply (simp-ly?) a different calculus which I can't really blame anyone who can stomach it for exploiting.
- zeouter 5y ago
  According to this data, only 3% of Twitch’s top-earning streamers are women... so I don't agree.
- balancemayvary 5y ago
  Wrong. You need to get some therapy and stop blaming women.

mkishi 5y ago

Donations probably dwarf subscription earnings, I'm not sure it's that black and white.

ehsankia 5y ago
Indeed. A comment above also estimated sub money to be ~1/4 of streamer's earnings, but as you mention that can vary quite widely, and in my experience it does quite so for female streamers. Pre-OF sex work is quite a lot like that too, you generally have a few whales making up ~90% of your revenue on cam sites, which is not great. On Twitch too, in my experience looking at "top donators", it's usually just a few handful of people giving big sums to female streamers.

0xdeadb00f 5y ago

That may be true about amoruanth but Pokimane is genuinely just as content-driven and "gamer" as any of the top (like xqc for instance). There's more to her streams than her looking pretty - the same probably can't be said about amouranth.

aoeusnth1 5y ago

What's your beef with pokimane? She's a gamer.

werid 5y ago

and yet all the other women who aren't earning much gets blamed for stealing viewers and money from guys who aren't the last bit entertaining. justice? hardly.