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Blockchain wallets are an interesting case. I would argue that for example an Ethereum wallet that generates an address for you in the Ethereum system is not re

by Hermel 5y ago

Blockchain wallets are an interesting case. I would argue that for example an Ethereum wallet that generates an address for you in the Ethereum system is not required to provide a way to delete that account again. Similarly, the Chrome app is not required to allow you to delete your hackernews account even though you created it using the Chrome app. Generally, if an app enables you to create an account in a system controlled by someone else, the account deletion rule shouldn’t be applicable.

dwaite 5y ago
I do not believe Apple will make a distinction based on corporate structure - if you support creating an account, you need to support deleting it. If you can't support deleting it, you can't support creating it in-app. That said, I would argue that there is no Ethereum "account" - it's just a crypto key. In that sense, use on Ethereum is similar to someone using an email address to sign up for mailing lists and to post on forums. The counter-argument is that your wallet app likely provides the interfaces to do that functionality, which makes the Ethereum blockchains a proper system under consideration.
onion2k 5y ago
Generally, if an app enables you to create an account in a system controlled by someone else, the account deletion rule shouldn’t be applicable The post you're replying to says Apple believe it should. Unless you can persuade Apple to change their policy, it won't matter if you disagree.
- sokoloff 5y ago
  Safari enables me to create accounts on lots of services controlled by third parties and, for some of these, Safari does not symmetrically enable me to initiate a deletion in-app. (I’ll give you that Safari isn’t in the App Store but many other browsers are. It would viewed as anti-competitive for Apple to remove all competing browsers.)
  - onion2k 5y ago
    Safari enables me to create accounts on lots of services controlled by third parties and, for some of these, Safari does not symmetrically enable me to initiate a deletion in-app. This might be the weakest strawman argument I've ever seen. Well done.
    - sokoloff 5y ago
      It's very nearly the literal sentence that preceded the text you quoted upthread. It's exactly what we're talking about here and what you seem to be agreeing that Apple is intending to (and right to) enforce.

by Hermel 5y ago

dwaite 5y ago

I do not believe Apple will make a distinction based on corporate structure - if you support creating an account, you need to support deleting it. If you can't support deleting it, you can't support creating it in-app. That said, I would argue that there is no Ethereum "account" - it's just a crypto key. In that sense, use on Ethereum is similar to someone using an email address to sign up for mailing lists and to post on forums. The counter-argument is that your wallet app likely provides the interfaces to do that functionality, which makes the Ethereum blockchains a proper system under consideration.

onion2k 5y ago

Generally, if an app enables you to create an account in a system controlled by someone else, the account deletion rule shouldn’t be applicable The post you're replying to says Apple believe it should. Unless you can persuade Apple to change their policy, it won't matter if you disagree.

sokoloff 5y ago
Safari enables me to create accounts on lots of services controlled by third parties and, for some of these, Safari does not symmetrically enable me to initiate a deletion in-app. (I’ll give you that Safari isn’t in the App Store but many other browsers are. It would viewed as anti-competitive for Apple to remove all competing browsers.)
- onion2k 5y ago
  Safari enables me to create accounts on lots of services controlled by third parties and, for some of these, Safari does not symmetrically enable me to initiate a deletion in-app. This might be the weakest strawman argument I've ever seen. Well done.
  - sokoloff 5y ago
    It's very nearly the literal sentence that preceded the text you quoted upthread. It's exactly what we're talking about here and what you seem to be agreeing that Apple is intending to (and right to) enforce.