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Be careful with this, they're probably watching peer lists, AFAIK it's illegal to download stolen data but IANAL.

by Wingy 5y ago

Someone1234 5y ago
> it's illegal to download stolen data It is illegal to initially steal data. But can you clarify which law would be violated by downloading it? And by "illegal" do you mean civil or criminal law?
- causi 5y ago
  Copyright law, just at a baseline.
  - Someone1234 5y ago
    Copyright may be violated by uploading (rather than downloading), but even then Twitch would need to show that you caused them monetary damages and sue you in a civil court. I'm not sure what "at a baseline" means. If you know of other specific legal violations then name them, so we can discuss it.
    - wongarsu 5y ago
      With torrents, every downloader is also uploading data, that's the point of torrents. You could theoretically configure your client with an upload cap of 0, but good luck proofing in court that you did that.
      - Someone1234 5y ago
        > With torrents, every downloader is also uploading data, that's the point of torrents. That's inaccurate. You can configure if you're providing upload capacity, but other peers can penalize you for that. > good luck proofing in court that you did that. That isn't how the legal system works. They have to prove you uploaded since that is the infringement at the core of their suite. The emphasis is on them to prove both infringement, responsibility, and monetary damages. Which brings us back to my earlier point which so far hasn't been answered: They have to show damages to successfully sue you in a civil court. How do they show damages here?
- Wingy 5y ago
  I don't know, I was mostly repeating this warning I read elsewhere: DO NOT POST THE MAGNET LINKS IN THIS THREAD Feel free to discuss this for what it is, news about a data leak. As per rule 1 'Search the Internet.....' a quick search will give you the data should you want it, understand however that this is stolen data and should it be what is described the torrent will likely be peer logged and addresses handed to the relevant authorities should Twitch wish to pursue legal action against those sharing it. --- Sorry if I was incorrect about the validity of the warning
yellow_lead 5y ago
Already has thousands of peers so I wouldn't worry too much

Be careful with this, they're probably watching peer lists, AFAIK it's illegal to download stolen data but IANAL.

by Wingy 5y ago

Be careful with this, they're probably watching peer lists, AFAIK it's illegal to download stolen data but IANAL.

> it's illegal to download stolen data It is illegal to initially steal data. But can you clarify which law would be violated by downloading it? And by "illegal" do you mean civil or criminal law?

causi 5y ago
Copyright law, just at a baseline.
- Someone1234 5y ago
  Copyright may be violated by uploading (rather than downloading), but even then Twitch would need to show that you caused them monetary damages and sue you in a civil court. I'm not sure what "at a baseline" means. If you know of other specific legal violations then name them, so we can discuss it.
  - wongarsu 5y ago
    With torrents, every downloader is also uploading data, that's the point of torrents. You could theoretically configure your client with an upload cap of 0, but good luck proofing in court that you did that.
    - Someone1234 5y ago
      > With torrents, every downloader is also uploading data, that's the point of torrents. That's inaccurate. You can configure if you're providing upload capacity, but other peers can penalize you for that. > good luck proofing in court that you did that. That isn't how the legal system works. They have to prove you uploaded since that is the infringement at the core of their suite. The emphasis is on them to prove both infringement, responsibility, and monetary damages. Which brings us back to my earlier point which so far hasn't been answered: They have to show damages to successfully sue you in a civil court. How do they show damages here?
Wingy 5y ago
I don't know, I was mostly repeating this warning I read elsewhere: DO NOT POST THE MAGNET LINKS IN THIS THREAD Feel free to discuss this for what it is, news about a data leak. As per rule 1 'Search the Internet.....' a quick search will give you the data should you want it, understand however that this is stolen data and should it be what is described the torrent will likely be peer logged and addresses handed to the relevant authorities should Twitch wish to pursue legal action against those sharing it. --- Sorry if I was incorrect about the validity of the warning

yellow_lead 5y ago

Already has thousands of peers so I wouldn't worry too much