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> Tesla is overall near parity with human drivers in terms of casualty rates, though with different people at risk. Unproven claim.

Retric 5y ago
If it was much worse than people everyone would be talking about it, insurance rates would match etc. I am not saying it’s as good on average and clearly it’s much worse at some things. That said it’s not say ten times as likely to result in a fatal accident.
- bduerst 5y ago
  That's much different than making a positive claim the autopilot has parity with human drivers for casualty rates, as there are a number of different reasons that is the case.
  - Retric 5y ago
    I didn’t say Autopilot was as good as the average driver. I said it was within the ballpark of the average driver. The fact that some major insurance companies offer discounts for Teslas with self driving over those without seems like strong evidence for such. Unless you have some evidence why there isn’t a huge story around Autopilots overall safety?
- AlotOfReading 5y ago
  First, that's not true. Most people don't even have FSD beta, let alone use it. Secondly, Teslas are notoriously expensive to insure.
  - Retric 5y ago
    It’s not about the rate for a Tesla it’s about the rate for Teslas without and without autopilot. Direct Line, the largest car insurer in the UK, still offers a 5% discount for Tesla with Autopilot in 2021 over those that don’t have it. That’s a very clear indication for near parity.
    - ghaff 5y ago
      Do they also give discounts for assistive driving features like adaptive cruise control? Because a fair number of insurers do.
    - AlotOfReading 5y ago
      Are you talking about the discount that they introduced with this disclaimer [0]: > Direct Line said it was too early to say whether the use of the autopilot system produced a safety record that justified lower premiums. It said it was charging less to encourage use of the system and aid research. That was back in 2017 and they probably have better numbers now, but it's not exactly an indication of autonomy and being safer-than-humans. These sorts of discounts are also widely available for other ADAS systems. [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-direct-line-ins-tesla-idUKKBN1DY1WS https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-direct-line-ins-tesla-idU...
      - Retric 5y ago
        It’s still available in 2021, that’s plenty of time to collect all relevant data. And again I am not using it as evidence that Autopilot is better, just that it’s within the same ballpark as human drivers. Offering a significant discount bounds how bad autopilot can be.

Retric 5y ago

If it was much worse than people everyone would be talking about it, insurance rates would match etc. I am not saying it’s as good on average and clearly it’s much worse at some things. That said it’s not say ten times as likely to result in a fatal accident.

bduerst 5y ago
That's much different than making a positive claim the autopilot has parity with human drivers for casualty rates, as there are a number of different reasons that is the case.
- Retric 5y ago
  I didn’t say Autopilot was as good as the average driver. I said it was within the ballpark of the average driver. The fact that some major insurance companies offer discounts for Teslas with self driving over those without seems like strong evidence for such. Unless you have some evidence why there isn’t a huge story around Autopilots overall safety?
AlotOfReading 5y ago
First, that's not true. Most people don't even have FSD beta, let alone use it. Secondly, Teslas are notoriously expensive to insure.
- Retric 5y ago
  It’s not about the rate for a Tesla it’s about the rate for Teslas without and without autopilot. Direct Line, the largest car insurer in the UK, still offers a 5% discount for Tesla with Autopilot in 2021 over those that don’t have it. That’s a very clear indication for near parity.
  - ghaff 5y ago
    Do they also give discounts for assistive driving features like adaptive cruise control? Because a fair number of insurers do.
  - AlotOfReading 5y ago
    Are you talking about the discount that they introduced with this disclaimer [0]: > Direct Line said it was too early to say whether the use of the autopilot system produced a safety record that justified lower premiums. It said it was charging less to encourage use of the system and aid research. That was back in 2017 and they probably have better numbers now, but it's not exactly an indication of autonomy and being safer-than-humans. These sorts of discounts are also widely available for other ADAS systems. [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-direct-line-ins-tesla-idUKKBN1DY1WS https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-direct-line-ins-tesla-idU...
    - Retric 5y ago
      It’s still available in 2021, that’s plenty of time to collect all relevant data. And again I am not using it as evidence that Autopilot is better, just that it’s within the same ballpark as human drivers. Offering a significant discount bounds how bad autopilot can be.