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If you build it, they will take it away from you. That's the European market for you and compounding legal issues like this make it a difficult one to foster in

by vlozko 5y ago

If you build it, they will take it away from you. That's the European market for you and compounding legal issues like this make it a difficult one to foster innovation in. This strikes me differently from the App Store issues. There Apple is dealing with 3rd parties and trying to create a playing field where they allow competitors on their platform, i.e. Apple Music and Spotify. Here Apple built their NFC chip for their own use and for their own product. If another company wants to provide NFC capability for credit cards, they can and the actual credit cards already do.

ajford 5y ago
I think the issue is not with supply of the chip, but Apple restricting API access to the chip on IOS devices. They're basically gatekeeping hw features, and preventing anyone else from providing the same level of features on IOS by software restriction. Could be wrong though, as I haven't followed it closely, being an Android user.
arve0 5y ago
> If another company wants to provide NFC capability for credit cards, they can and the actual credit cards already do. The other companies wants to provide NFC capabilities for their mobile bank/direct payment app. Like Norwegian “Vipps”, direct instant payments between any Norwegian bank.
- DooMMasteR 5y ago
  And within the EU (EEA incl) these systems are interoperable, I can use my German bank's debit card in France, Italy, and ironically also in Switzerland. Even via NFC...
boudin 5y ago
You got this wrong, the title is a bit confusing though. It's about Apple not allowing other software to use the NFC and using it to force apple pay. > If you build it, they will take it away from you. That's the European market for you and compounding legal issues like this make it a difficult one to foster innovation in. Now that a really stupid statement, what does it even mean? Europe is a bad guy that goes from house to house to steal kids drawing? Europe bashing every time there's a form of regulation is really exhausting. So Europe should be a lawless place?

by vlozko 5y ago

ajford 5y ago

I think the issue is not with supply of the chip, but Apple restricting API access to the chip on IOS devices. They're basically gatekeeping hw features, and preventing anyone else from providing the same level of features on IOS by software restriction. Could be wrong though, as I haven't followed it closely, being an Android user.

arve0 5y ago

> If another company wants to provide NFC capability for credit cards, they can and the actual credit cards already do. The other companies wants to provide NFC capabilities for their mobile bank/direct payment app. Like Norwegian “Vipps”, direct instant payments between any Norwegian bank.

DooMMasteR 5y ago
And within the EU (EEA incl) these systems are interoperable, I can use my German bank's debit card in France, Italy, and ironically also in Switzerland. Even via NFC...

boudin 5y ago

You got this wrong, the title is a bit confusing though. It's about Apple not allowing other software to use the NFC and using it to force apple pay. > If you build it, they will take it away from you. That's the European market for you and compounding legal issues like this make it a difficult one to foster innovation in. Now that a really stupid statement, what does it even mean? Europe is a bad guy that goes from house to house to steal kids drawing? Europe bashing every time there's a form of regulation is really exhausting. So Europe should be a lawless place?