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https://www.twitchearnings.com/ https://www.twitchearnings.com/

by stunt 5y ago

NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
I can't help but love the fact that PaymoneyWubby (a fat ginger nerd who makes interesting content, at least on youtube) makes more than pokimaine and Amouranth whose primary feature seems to be young, attractive, and female. Perhaps there's a tiny bit of justice in the world.
- RobLach 5y ago
  What's the justice?
  - NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
    Merit and effort can beat being a genetic lottery winner.
    - RobLach 5y ago
      Ridiculous. That's being irrationally dismissive of the effort and merit it takes to win in an attention market in a particular way purely because of a personally biased judgement of value. The real genetic lottery winner on Twitch is being a white male given the relate-ability to the majority of Twitch's audience, and as the data leaked supports. I mean even consider the cost those creators have to bear of dealing with people who are constantly claiming that their success in somehow invalid.
- SixDouble5321 5y ago
  It's more like a legitimately good streamer has to also be attractive to make money as a female. Not the other way around.
- rasz 5y ago
  Splitting earnings by gender reveals females arent doing that hot on twitch.
  - mhh__ 5y ago
    This excludes donations, that probably tips the balance a bit more female although no idea how much since we have no data
- zeouter 5y ago
  ... that does sound quite misogynistic. Like the sole comparisons you raise (and insult) are women.
  - mhh__ 5y ago
    I see your point but it's really just a fact of online life that you can make a lot of money as a woman on twitch. That isn't to say that all women streamers are exploiting that fact i.e. aren't making actual content, but it's simply (simp-ly?) a different calculus which I can't really blame anyone who can stomach it for exploiting.
    - zeouter 5y ago
      According to this data, only 3% of Twitch’s top-earning streamers are women... so I don't agree.
    - balancemayvary 5y ago
      Wrong. You need to get some therapy and stop blaming women.
- mkishi 5y ago
  Donations probably dwarf subscription earnings, I'm not sure it's that black and white.
  - ehsankia 5y ago
    Indeed. A comment above also estimated sub money to be ~1/4 of streamer's earnings, but as you mention that can vary quite widely, and in my experience it does quite so for female streamers. Pre-OF sex work is quite a lot like that too, you generally have a few whales making up ~90% of your revenue on cam sites, which is not great. On Twitch too, in my experience looking at "top donators", it's usually just a few handful of people giving big sums to female streamers.
- 0xdeadb00f 5y ago
  That may be true about amoruanth but Pokimane is genuinely just as content-driven and "gamer" as any of the top (like xqc for instance). There's more to her streams than her looking pretty - the same probably can't be said about amouranth.
- aoeusnth1 5y ago
  What's your beef with pokimane? She's a gamer.
- werid 5y ago
  and yet all the other women who aren't earning much gets blamed for stealing viewers and money from guys who aren't the last bit entertaining. justice? hardly.
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asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
Just goes to show you how small the top is in streaming. Based on this data, and assuming twitch payouts are about a quarter the average streamer's income, about 300-400 twitch streamers get paid more than the total comp of senior staff engineers where I work. Let's be generous and say that these people have no staff to pay (false assumption, e.g. Pestily has stated that he pays hundreds of thousands on salaries for editors, moderators, social media people, etc.). There are far more people than that at my one company making this kind of money, not to mention all the other big tech companies and startups. That's just a long way of saying that if you wanna get rich, learn how to write code and talk to people. Way easier than becoming one of the top 3-400 streamers in the world.
- tediousdemise 5y ago
  Getting paid 7 figures for writing code? That is an anomaly and is not in line with reality. Just doing a cursory Google search for Senior Software Engineer salaries puts the average at ~122k [0], nowhere close to the amount one of those Twitch streamers makes. I wouldn't call it rich either, maybe middle class or upper-middle class at best. [0] https://www.indeed.com/career/senior-software-engineer/salaries https://www.indeed.com/career/senior-software-engineer/salar...
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
    Remember that this data covers slightly more than two years of payouts. So under my (admittedly low-information) assumptions, streamer #400 gets 750k in revenue annually. Also, you linked to the wrong job title. I said "senior staff" software engineer, which where I work is two rungs above senior engineer. http://levels.fyi http://levels.fyi has comp estimates for a bunch of the big tech cos. $750k far from an unreasonable amount for someone to make in this line of work, and plenty of folks make a lot more than that.
  - Infinitesimus 5y ago
    Some context incase you're not used to Bay Area Big Co. Compensation: 1. Indeed, Glassdoor and other mainstream sites are useless and at best report outdated base salaries. Use levels.fyi or teamblind.com for more realistic data. 2. 50% or more or the compensation at these companies is in RSUs. These companies have performed remarkably well over the past decade. Folks who have had exposure to their stocks as employees have done very well. 3. Half a million dollars a year (before refreshers, etc.) is entirely realistic at the Staff level and at Senior Staff, you're often looking at anything from $700K to low $1MM. For these companies, the scope and weight of someone at that level of work if impact across millions/billions of users and their actions can make or lose you similar amounts of money.

https://www.twitchearnings.com/ https://www.twitchearnings.com/

by stunt 5y ago

https://www.twitchearnings.com/ https://www.twitchearnings.com/

I can't help but love the fact that PaymoneyWubby (a fat ginger nerd who makes interesting content, at least on youtube) makes more than pokimaine and Amouranth whose primary feature seems to be young, attractive, and female. Perhaps there's a tiny bit of justice in the world.

RobLach 5y ago
What's the justice?
- NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
  Merit and effort can beat being a genetic lottery winner.
  - RobLach 5y ago
    Ridiculous. That's being irrationally dismissive of the effort and merit it takes to win in an attention market in a particular way purely because of a personally biased judgement of value. The real genetic lottery winner on Twitch is being a white male given the relate-ability to the majority of Twitch's audience, and as the data leaked supports. I mean even consider the cost those creators have to bear of dealing with people who are constantly claiming that their success in somehow invalid.
SixDouble5321 5y ago
It's more like a legitimately good streamer has to also be attractive to make money as a female. Not the other way around.
rasz 5y ago
Splitting earnings by gender reveals females arent doing that hot on twitch.
- mhh__ 5y ago
  This excludes donations, that probably tips the balance a bit more female although no idea how much since we have no data
zeouter 5y ago
... that does sound quite misogynistic. Like the sole comparisons you raise (and insult) are women.
- mhh__ 5y ago
  I see your point but it's really just a fact of online life that you can make a lot of money as a woman on twitch. That isn't to say that all women streamers are exploiting that fact i.e. aren't making actual content, but it's simply (simp-ly?) a different calculus which I can't really blame anyone who can stomach it for exploiting.
  - zeouter 5y ago
    According to this data, only 3% of Twitch’s top-earning streamers are women... so I don't agree.
  - balancemayvary 5y ago
    Wrong. You need to get some therapy and stop blaming women.
mkishi 5y ago
Donations probably dwarf subscription earnings, I'm not sure it's that black and white.
- ehsankia 5y ago
  Indeed. A comment above also estimated sub money to be ~1/4 of streamer's earnings, but as you mention that can vary quite widely, and in my experience it does quite so for female streamers. Pre-OF sex work is quite a lot like that too, you generally have a few whales making up ~90% of your revenue on cam sites, which is not great. On Twitch too, in my experience looking at "top donators", it's usually just a few handful of people giving big sums to female streamers.
0xdeadb00f 5y ago
That may be true about amoruanth but Pokimane is genuinely just as content-driven and "gamer" as any of the top (like xqc for instance). There's more to her streams than her looking pretty - the same probably can't be said about amouranth.
aoeusnth1 5y ago
What's your beef with pokimane? She's a gamer.
werid 5y ago
and yet all the other women who aren't earning much gets blamed for stealing viewers and money from guys who aren't the last bit entertaining. justice? hardly.

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asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago

Just goes to show you how small the top is in streaming. Based on this data, and assuming twitch payouts are about a quarter the average streamer's income, about 300-400 twitch streamers get paid more than the total comp of senior staff engineers where I work. Let's be generous and say that these people have no staff to pay (false assumption, e.g. Pestily has stated that he pays hundreds of thousands on salaries for editors, moderators, social media people, etc.). There are far more people than that at my one company making this kind of money, not to mention all the other big tech companies and startups. That's just a long way of saying that if you wanna get rich, learn how to write code and talk to people. Way easier than becoming one of the top 3-400 streamers in the world.

tediousdemise 5y ago
Getting paid 7 figures for writing code? That is an anomaly and is not in line with reality. Just doing a cursory Google search for Senior Software Engineer salaries puts the average at ~122k [0], nowhere close to the amount one of those Twitch streamers makes. I wouldn't call it rich either, maybe middle class or upper-middle class at best. [0] https://www.indeed.com/career/senior-software-engineer/salaries https://www.indeed.com/career/senior-software-engineer/salar...
- asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
  Remember that this data covers slightly more than two years of payouts. So under my (admittedly low-information) assumptions, streamer #400 gets 750k in revenue annually. Also, you linked to the wrong job title. I said "senior staff" software engineer, which where I work is two rungs above senior engineer. http://levels.fyi http://levels.fyi has comp estimates for a bunch of the big tech cos. $750k far from an unreasonable amount for someone to make in this line of work, and plenty of folks make a lot more than that.
- Infinitesimus 5y ago
  Some context incase you're not used to Bay Area Big Co. Compensation: 1. Indeed, Glassdoor and other mainstream sites are useless and at best report outdated base salaries. Use levels.fyi or teamblind.com for more realistic data. 2. 50% or more or the compensation at these companies is in RSUs. These companies have performed remarkably well over the past decade. Folks who have had exposure to their stocks as employees have done very well. 3. Half a million dollars a year (before refreshers, etc.) is entirely realistic at the Staff level and at Senior Staff, you're often looking at anything from $700K to low $1MM. For these companies, the scope and weight of someone at that level of work if impact across millions/billions of users and their actions can make or lose you similar amounts of money.