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This is it exactly. Western country have to actually follow the international laws that are put into place. Countries like China just have to claim they follo

by enkid 5y ago

This is it exactly. Western country have to actually follow the international laws that are put into place. Countries like China just have to claim they follow the laws.

robinsoh 5y ago
I think we need to take a deep breath and look at our own abuse of the planet. Sadly, even advanced European countries like Italy and Switzerland were found to have participated in toxic dumping in Somalia. https://theecologist.org/2009/mar/01/somalia-used-toxic-dumping-ground https://theecologist.org/2009/mar/01/somalia-used-toxic-dump... After China stopped accepting plastic waste, we discovered that almost all of the developed nations weren't actually recycling plastic but in reality just dumping it in developing countries. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/28/treated-like-trash-south-east-asia-vows-to-return-mountains-of-rubbish-from-west https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/28/treated-... The simple truth is that developed countries aren't exactly following the laws we put into place ourselves when it turns out they inconvenience us.
croes 5y ago
Are you sure? The wars in Iraq and Libya seems to tell a different story. Or civilians killed by drones, the weapon deals with dictators etc.
simion314 5y ago
But I see all the time US bullying other countries with sanctions, US could for example stop doing business with China until UN guys are happy with human rights , but at the same time US should allow UN guys to verify human rights condition in US too(including the secret torture places and also the suspicious suicide cases of incommode people). I am disgusted by human rights demands only from China but not from "US partners" that are doing maybe even worse (like not offering equal rights for women or killing gay people with stones). I would have more respect if you equally condemn everyone or just shut up and fix your local issues .
sofixa 5y ago
Is that a joke? Most "western" countries have wiped their asses with international laws. Be it illegal wars, illegal kidnappings and torture (US), illegal deportations and violations of international agreements signed months prior(UK), bombing a neutral ship in a foreign country ( France), etc. etc. The examples are too numerous to list, but here's some academic material just for the US: https://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2902&context=facpub https://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?a... https://www.jstor.org/stable/29766228 https://www.jstor.org/stable/29766228
- enkid 5y ago
  Your missing my point. Your comment is exactly why the US doesn't want these type of rules. The US is held accountable by people in the US. China doesn't allow that. So yes, the US breaks (maybe bends? I'm sure you could find lawyers that would say none of these are against international law) but them gets domestic blow back for it. China doesn't.

by enkid 5y ago

This is it exactly. Western country have to actually follow the international laws that are put into place. Countries like China just have to claim they follow the laws.

robinsoh 5y ago

I think we need to take a deep breath and look at our own abuse of the planet. Sadly, even advanced European countries like Italy and Switzerland were found to have participated in toxic dumping in Somalia. https://theecologist.org/2009/mar/01/somalia-used-toxic-dumping-ground https://theecologist.org/2009/mar/01/somalia-used-toxic-dump... After China stopped accepting plastic waste, we discovered that almost all of the developed nations weren't actually recycling plastic but in reality just dumping it in developing countries. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/28/treated-like-trash-south-east-asia-vows-to-return-mountains-of-rubbish-from-west https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/28/treated-... The simple truth is that developed countries aren't exactly following the laws we put into place ourselves when it turns out they inconvenience us.

croes 5y ago

Are you sure? The wars in Iraq and Libya seems to tell a different story. Or civilians killed by drones, the weapon deals with dictators etc.

simion314 5y ago

But I see all the time US bullying other countries with sanctions, US could for example stop doing business with China until UN guys are happy with human rights , but at the same time US should allow UN guys to verify human rights condition in US too(including the secret torture places and also the suspicious suicide cases of incommode people). I am disgusted by human rights demands only from China but not from "US partners" that are doing maybe even worse (like not offering equal rights for women or killing gay people with stones). I would have more respect if you equally condemn everyone or just shut up and fix your local issues .

sofixa 5y ago

Is that a joke? Most "western" countries have wiped their asses with international laws. Be it illegal wars, illegal kidnappings and torture (US), illegal deportations and violations of international agreements signed months prior(UK), bombing a neutral ship in a foreign country ( France), etc. etc. The examples are too numerous to list, but here's some academic material just for the US: https://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2902&context=facpub https://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?a... https://www.jstor.org/stable/29766228 https://www.jstor.org/stable/29766228

enkid 5y ago
Your missing my point. Your comment is exactly why the US doesn't want these type of rules. The US is held accountable by people in the US. China doesn't allow that. So yes, the US breaks (maybe bends? I'm sure you could find lawyers that would say none of these are against international law) but them gets domestic blow back for it. China doesn't.