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This is unhelpful whataboutery. China isn't directly relevant. I could just as truthfully point out that the USA is a disgusting bully and that would be unhelpf

This is unhelpful whataboutery. China isn't directly relevant. I could just as truthfully point out that the USA is a disgusting bully and that would be unhelpful too. We wouldn't think it reasonable if someone on trial for embezzlement asked the jury to acquit because there are other people out in the world committing murder. We only put up with it in news and politics because we have normalized and accepted propaganda.

bamboozled 5y ago
Wrong. The US is not flying bombers capable of carrying nuclear warheads at large populations just to intimidate them.
- fellodip 5y ago
  https://apnews.com/article/europe-europe-air-force-russia-7ff508110cae77e6edf0ab6d9dc3d256 https://apnews.com/article/europe-europe-air-force-russia-7f... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/russia-mig-31-b-52-bering-sea-military-flight-1609890%3famp=1 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/russia-mig-31-... US does these things, its just not highlighted front page material in American press when it happens, so it goes unnoticed to American populations unlike when adversaries like Russia fly bombers near Alaska. Also US conducted similar maneuvers as what China did to Taiwan but to Iraq preceeding the Iraq invasion.
  - bamboozled 5y ago
    I re-read my original comment, I have no idea how the US was inject into this actually.
  - iszomer 5y ago
    Tit for tat or a part of a consistent NATO combat exercises? If this is the new norm for a Chinese excercise, they clearly are overcompensating: a fleet of them versus a trio of bombers.
- sofixa 5y ago
  It does as the sibling commenter pointed out, furthemore it used to fly bombers with nuclear warheads around the clock, nearly bombing itself and its allies numerous times in the process.
  - p_l 5y ago
    It also regularly played "chicken" with flying bombers into USSR space at one point, which nearly got us preemptive strike starting WW3
- caoilte 5y ago
  Interestingly (I didn't know) the Chinese planes weren't even anywhere near Taiwan. This is an image of their route from Taiwan's defence ministry https://mobile.twitter.com/MoNDefense/status/1443975956578795522 https://mobile.twitter.com/MoNDefense/status/144397595657879... This was a routine Chinese air patrol that got propagandized by the US.
z3ncyberpunk 5y ago
No, you should confront and fix both problems. You're argument is entirely dismissive of China's actions.
- caoilte 5y ago
  No, you should confront and fix child prostitution. Your argument is entirely dismissive of the huge problem with trafficking of children. Why are China and the environment the only things you you care about? /s
zohch 5y ago
> This is unhelpful whataboutery. China isn't directly relevant. It is. Because it is one of the biggest threats to human rights and to a clean environment. If UN can't tackle China, they are feckless, but of course we all know this. This is a stick to beat the west with while China and Russia and the new axis of evil get to keep running rough-shot over the rest of the world.
- modo_mario 5y ago
  >Because it is one of the biggest threats to human rights and to a clean environment. So China just almost caught up to Europe as far as CO2 emissions per capita goes and is nowhere close to the US whilst putting measures to reverse the trend. That comparison used to be ridiculous just a few decades ago when they were comparatively massively underdeveloped. Often this involves the whole blame-shifting where one poses one shouldn't do anything because there's someone doing less/worse. But in this case it's not even true. Not even if they lied about their numbers by
  - zohch 5y ago
    > So China just almost caught up to Europe as far as CO2 emissions per capita goes and is nowhere close to the US whilst putting measures to reverse the trend I said clean environment. Not sure why you are changing the subject, but lets see: https://ourworldindata.org/plastic-pollution#top-20-river-sources https://ourworldindata.org/plastic-pollution#top-20-river-so... > Geographically we see that the majority of the most polluting rivers are located in Asia. River Yangtze, the top polluting river, had an input of approximately 333,000 tonnes in 2015 — over 4 percent of annual ocean plastic pollution. > Often this involves the whole blame-shifting Okay but then just don't shift the blame from countries that threatens a clean environment to countries that do not.

bamboozled 5y ago

Wrong. The US is not flying bombers capable of carrying nuclear warheads at large populations just to intimidate them.

fellodip 5y ago
https://apnews.com/article/europe-europe-air-force-russia-7ff508110cae77e6edf0ab6d9dc3d256 https://apnews.com/article/europe-europe-air-force-russia-7f... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/russia-mig-31-b-52-bering-sea-military-flight-1609890%3famp=1 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/russia-mig-31-... US does these things, its just not highlighted front page material in American press when it happens, so it goes unnoticed to American populations unlike when adversaries like Russia fly bombers near Alaska. Also US conducted similar maneuvers as what China did to Taiwan but to Iraq preceeding the Iraq invasion.
- bamboozled 5y ago
  I re-read my original comment, I have no idea how the US was inject into this actually.
- iszomer 5y ago
  Tit for tat or a part of a consistent NATO combat exercises? If this is the new norm for a Chinese excercise, they clearly are overcompensating: a fleet of them versus a trio of bombers.
sofixa 5y ago
It does as the sibling commenter pointed out, furthemore it used to fly bombers with nuclear warheads around the clock, nearly bombing itself and its allies numerous times in the process.
- p_l 5y ago
  It also regularly played "chicken" with flying bombers into USSR space at one point, which nearly got us preemptive strike starting WW3
caoilte 5y ago
Interestingly (I didn't know) the Chinese planes weren't even anywhere near Taiwan. This is an image of their route from Taiwan's defence ministry https://mobile.twitter.com/MoNDefense/status/1443975956578795522 https://mobile.twitter.com/MoNDefense/status/144397595657879... This was a routine Chinese air patrol that got propagandized by the US.

z3ncyberpunk 5y ago

No, you should confront and fix both problems. You're argument is entirely dismissive of China's actions.

caoilte 5y ago
No, you should confront and fix child prostitution. Your argument is entirely dismissive of the huge problem with trafficking of children. Why are China and the environment the only things you you care about? /s

zohch 5y ago

> This is unhelpful whataboutery. China isn't directly relevant. It is. Because it is one of the biggest threats to human rights and to a clean environment. If UN can't tackle China, they are feckless, but of course we all know this. This is a stick to beat the west with while China and Russia and the new axis of evil get to keep running rough-shot over the rest of the world.

modo_mario 5y ago
>Because it is one of the biggest threats to human rights and to a clean environment. So China just almost caught up to Europe as far as CO2 emissions per capita goes and is nowhere close to the US whilst putting measures to reverse the trend. That comparison used to be ridiculous just a few decades ago when they were comparatively massively underdeveloped. Often this involves the whole blame-shifting where one poses one shouldn't do anything because there's someone doing less/worse. But in this case it's not even true. Not even if they lied about their numbers by
- zohch 5y ago
  > So China just almost caught up to Europe as far as CO2 emissions per capita goes and is nowhere close to the US whilst putting measures to reverse the trend I said clean environment. Not sure why you are changing the subject, but lets see: https://ourworldindata.org/plastic-pollution#top-20-river-sources https://ourworldindata.org/plastic-pollution#top-20-river-so... > Geographically we see that the majority of the most polluting rivers are located in Asia. River Yangtze, the top polluting river, had an input of approximately 333,000 tonnes in 2015 — over 4 percent of annual ocean plastic pollution. > Often this involves the whole blame-shifting Okay but then just don't shift the blame from countries that threatens a clean environment to countries that do not.