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Well, it's like going through a bad neighborhood in your expensive car to show off your new expensive watch. Not your fault you got robbed, but there may have

by aspyct 5y ago

Well, it's like going through a bad neighborhood in your expensive car to show off your new expensive watch. Not your fault you got robbed, but there may have been a way to avoid it.

mschuster91 5y ago
As a citizen, it is reasonable to expect from government to provide you the ability to drive through any part of the country without risking getting robbed. If the government does not meet that expectation, it is time to hold politicians (and, where applicable, the police administration) accountable by voting them out.
- FinanceAnon 5y ago
  How can a government ensure everyone's safety without sacrificing people's privacy or imposing on their lives? I would like everyone to be and feel safe, but at the same time I wouldn't want a CCTV and a policeman on every corner of the street.
  - ctrlc-root 5y ago
    This is an underrated comment. Many who believe we have a right to be safe don't understand that it's impossible to achieve without sacrificing other fundamental rights (i.e. privacy, liberty).
    - wizzwizz4 5y ago
      Sacrificing those rights doesn't even get us safety. At best, it gets us accountability, but it's very much diminishing returns.
  - mschuster91 5y ago
    One way would be to ensure everyone has their right to a decent life fulfilled (aka, get everyone housed, fed and employed in decent conditions), to reduce the incentives and motivation for people to rob and assault other people. One of the reason for "criminal careers" is that convictions - especially those for small scale shit like fare dodging or marijuana smoking - follow people around and make it impossible for them to obtain housing and employment. Break that cycle and help people who are in prison to live a crime-free life after release, and crime numbers will drop.
- Joker_vD 5y ago
  Is it really reasonable? I struggle to think of any actual examples of a country where you could travel anywhere without risking getting robbed. "Most of the country's territory": sure, but "any part" whatsoever? It's a noble ideal but we're still not there yet so you can either shout at the Universe demanding it to be fair, or you can to try and live with what we have right now. I do expect the roads to have no potholes, and car drivers vigilant but I still look where I put my feet when I walk and look the street both ways before crossing it. When I trip on something because I was distracted I first think "Who the hell put that there?", then "Probably should have watched where I was going" second. Am I subconsciously trained to victim-blame myself?
  - mschuster91 5y ago
    > I struggle to think of any actual examples of a country where you could travel anywhere without risking getting robbed. "Most of the country's territory": sure, but "any part" whatsoever? In modern, civilized democracies, citizens delegate their right to use vigilante justice and violence in general to the state (in form of police), in exchange for the state's guarantee to uphold the law on its territory.
    - Joker_vD 5y ago
      Well, go and take a stroll at 3am in certain parts of Paris where police almost never manifests and when it does, it's in groups of 10 at least — the results may upset you.

by aspyct 5y ago

Well, it's like going through a bad neighborhood in your expensive car to show off your new expensive watch. Not your fault you got robbed, but there may have been a way to avoid it.

mschuster91 5y ago

As a citizen, it is reasonable to expect from government to provide you the ability to drive through any part of the country without risking getting robbed. If the government does not meet that expectation, it is time to hold politicians (and, where applicable, the police administration) accountable by voting them out.

FinanceAnon 5y ago
How can a government ensure everyone's safety without sacrificing people's privacy or imposing on their lives? I would like everyone to be and feel safe, but at the same time I wouldn't want a CCTV and a policeman on every corner of the street.
- ctrlc-root 5y ago
  This is an underrated comment. Many who believe we have a right to be safe don't understand that it's impossible to achieve without sacrificing other fundamental rights (i.e. privacy, liberty).
  - wizzwizz4 5y ago
    Sacrificing those rights doesn't even get us safety. At best, it gets us accountability, but it's very much diminishing returns.
- mschuster91 5y ago
  One way would be to ensure everyone has their right to a decent life fulfilled (aka, get everyone housed, fed and employed in decent conditions), to reduce the incentives and motivation for people to rob and assault other people. One of the reason for "criminal careers" is that convictions - especially those for small scale shit like fare dodging or marijuana smoking - follow people around and make it impossible for them to obtain housing and employment. Break that cycle and help people who are in prison to live a crime-free life after release, and crime numbers will drop.
Joker_vD 5y ago
Is it really reasonable? I struggle to think of any actual examples of a country where you could travel anywhere without risking getting robbed. "Most of the country's territory": sure, but "any part" whatsoever? It's a noble ideal but we're still not there yet so you can either shout at the Universe demanding it to be fair, or you can to try and live with what we have right now. I do expect the roads to have no potholes, and car drivers vigilant but I still look where I put my feet when I walk and look the street both ways before crossing it. When I trip on something because I was distracted I first think "Who the hell put that there?", then "Probably should have watched where I was going" second. Am I subconsciously trained to victim-blame myself?
- mschuster91 5y ago
  > I struggle to think of any actual examples of a country where you could travel anywhere without risking getting robbed. "Most of the country's territory": sure, but "any part" whatsoever? In modern, civilized democracies, citizens delegate their right to use vigilante justice and violence in general to the state (in form of police), in exchange for the state's guarantee to uphold the law on its territory.
  - Joker_vD 5y ago
    Well, go and take a stroll at 3am in certain parts of Paris where police almost never manifests and when it does, it's in groups of 10 at least — the results may upset you.