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The revenue in that pastebin have been double counted. The corrected data is here: https://pastebin.com/LjmaPNam https://pastebin.com/LjmaPNam

by erk__ 5y ago

pixxel 5y ago
Whoa. Is gross per year or since account creation?! Either way these numbers are insane.
- erk__ 5y ago
  These are numbers since August 2019 as far as I am aware
  - pixxel 5y ago
    Crazy numbers.
  - _u 5y ago
    June 2019 is also included. July 2019 is missing.
- uyt 5y ago
  Insanely high or insanely low? I actually felt kind of weird that I make more as a software engineer than some of these legit celebrities (not the very top ones of course, but still more than many of the ones I follow or have heard of)
  - Shacklz 5y ago
    I hope I didn't misread the numbers but to my understanding it's just what they get from twitch directly (ads/subscriptions share), most streamers probably make significant amounts in donations on top of that, and probably have secondary revenue streams via YouTube (stream highlights etc.)
    - jschenk 5y ago
      Not to mention sponsors, sponsored streams, etc.
  - BlargMcLarg 5y ago
    Keep in mind this is just what they make which Twitch knows about. Plenty of sponsorships, tournaments and other income streams exist for a majority of these people. On top of that, besides their eceleb status, most of these people aren't that professional. Plenty of them are a combination of variety or casual, often to a degree the person isn't even that good in games in general. Their production quality also isn't anywhere near amazing (note it can be both organic and high quality), and other parties (e.g. Hololive) have shown how easily the space can be disrupted. For those curious, notice how many top streamers still lack actual high quality audio (mostly from their own lack of voice training rather than equipment), proper schedules and sticking to those schedules, high quality video when applicable (e.g. bad light), allow themselves to get devolved in politics, allow their streams to go majorly off-track in general, etc. It's not like these guys don't have the means to drastically improve it. And the obvious: we don't have anywhere as much of a shortage of people willing to play games in an extremely dedicated manner as doing software development.
    - meheleventyone 5y ago
      The other thing for comparison to traditional jobs is the hours worked. Most streamers I follow work insane hours. Then the other bits and pieces they have to pay for themselves. For example taxes employers would otherwise cover and things like health insurance in the US. On production quality, I think it's a mistake to think it matters too much. Live streaming is a different thing to television. In very much the same way Roblox is different to AAA games. There's also a level outside of the more chaotic personalities who make a lot of money in spite of themselves where there is a lot of professionalism going in to making things seem pretty casual because these people know their audience.
      - BlargMcLarg 5y ago
        The hours worked is all over the place really. Some of the top streamers don't work anywhere close to 40 hours or past it. Others grind 10 hours a day for almost every day of the year (often burning out a few years later). A lot of the top streamers do a combination of taking sporadic breaks, streaming only 3-4 hours a session, etc. The other problem with looking at hours worked is it's hard to quantify sporadic interactions on multimedia and the likes. Arguably the biggest drain, most of these people are always "online" and have a hard time unplugging themselves. This is further exasperated by the momentum loss most streamers perceive when not streaming for a long while. >On production quality, I think it's a mistake to think it matters too much But we don't really know that yet. It's extremely hard to quantify all these variables and what truly matters. What we do know is many people in these circles have fallen to the side since they were unable to keep up with the modicum of effort newcomers put in despite their lack of resources and despite the first-mover advantage these old-timers had. At the same time, we see other parties break through with new concepts while putting in a ton of effort to market and PR themselves, and it worked, as seen with the Hololive example. The top earner is (apparently) also much more professional than the majority of the top 10/100/N. >Live streaming is a different thing to television If anything, this is the biggest problem. If beginners are expected/advised to put in much more effort and resources to (increase their odds of) breaking through compared to before, why is it acceptable for someone earning a Silicon Valley-equivalent salary while living in a much lower CoL area to stream in a dank basement or attic with poor audio quality? This isn't a criticism as much as a question. Maybe it doesn't matter. But it's also the question which makes people wonder "should they be earning as much as they do?"
- meheleventyone 5y ago
  Not really! If you arbitrarily take $50k as a living wage then it's basically the top 2000 streamers who can make a living on Twitch. Random googling tells me there were approximately 8 million active streamers in September. Again arbitrarily assuming that 7 million of those are 'casual' and doing it for fun that means the percentage of streamers making a living wage is 0.002%. Back of the napkin math but kinda depressing. Edit: Someone on Twitter told me that Affiliate status is pegged around the top 3% of streamers. So taking that as my new baseline for "trying to make it" since you can actually get paid out, it raises the percentage to a whopping 0.008%!
  - kristofferR 5y ago
    Worthy read: https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/16/17569520/twitch-streamers-zero-viewers-motivation-community https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/16/17569520/twitch-streamers...
    - meheleventyone 5y ago
      Right I take that sort of thing into account by snipping off the vast majority of people active streaming. Basically guessing that only the top million people streaming are actually aiming to make a living wage.
  - Miner49er 5y ago
    The thing with Twitch streaming is that you can do it from almost anywhere. So, $50k is maybe a bit high for a living wage. Plus, Twitch is probably just one source of income for many content creators. For many it's not their primary source, but just a side source. YouTube, Patreon, OnlyFans, outside sponsors, or even esports may be where they make most of their money.
    - Loughla 5y ago
      This is a, maybe, long way to get to this, but keep with me. I have always been fascinated by understanding what is edible, useful, or "traditionally medicinal" in the natural world around me. I have spent decades of my life learning about how to use, propagate, and cultivate most plants, animals, fungi, and minerals (not the propagate part here) in an area +/- 100 miles from where I live. I've taught a couple of State University extension classes, and regularly sell at a farmers market the things I gather/grow, just for shits and giggles. People have asked me for years why I don't do this for a living. Why don't I do that instead of working a job that I am neutral to, but that pays the bills. Because all of that sounds exhausting. Needing to maintain a presence on so many platforms, interact with so many people, and constantly be thinking about my next thing for all of the various platforms is just exhausting. I don't know how people can do it without burning out.
- falcolas 5y ago
  Eh, not always. Critical Roll, #1 on the chart with $4.8M, has 24 credited employees, and who knows how much else backing them up. It’s an entertainment corporation that just happens to run on Twitch.
  - theshrike79 5y ago
    This is just one revenue stream, Twitch subs. No Twitch donations, Patreon, merch sales etc.
    - JohnWhigham 5y ago
      It doesn't include bounty payouts and advertising payouts?
lemoncookiechip 5y ago
Fixed, thank you.
trinovantes 5y ago
It seems the payouts follow the power law. Around 100 millionaires, around 2k people at $100k, and the 10kth person at $25k
- deleted 5y ago
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throwawaylolx 5y ago
Is that all revenue, including subscribers, donations, ads, etc.? The numbers are not that large considering it's data for almost 2 years and a half. edit: I saw it mentioned in that /g/ thread that these numbers are without the donations.
y4mi 5y ago
your pastebin was deleted. too bad
- unraveller 5y ago
  https://zerobin.net/?d980fa6cb687ddff#QGGrP+TexGVSbpk9TF2SbwvYW4E/DxMUxTgapCgK5Hk= https://zerobin.net/?d980fa6cb687ddff#QGGrP+TexGVSbpk9TF2Sbw...

The revenue in that pastebin have been double counted. The corrected data is here: https://pastebin.com/LjmaPNam https://pastebin.com/LjmaPNam

by erk__ 5y ago

The revenue in that pastebin have been double counted. The corrected data is here: https://pastebin.com/LjmaPNam https://pastebin.com/LjmaPNam

pixxel 5y ago

Whoa. Is gross per year or since account creation?! Either way these numbers are insane.

erk__ 5y ago
These are numbers since August 2019 as far as I am aware
- pixxel 5y ago
  Crazy numbers.
- _u 5y ago
  June 2019 is also included. July 2019 is missing.
uyt 5y ago
Insanely high or insanely low? I actually felt kind of weird that I make more as a software engineer than some of these legit celebrities (not the very top ones of course, but still more than many of the ones I follow or have heard of)
- Shacklz 5y ago
  I hope I didn't misread the numbers but to my understanding it's just what they get from twitch directly (ads/subscriptions share), most streamers probably make significant amounts in donations on top of that, and probably have secondary revenue streams via YouTube (stream highlights etc.)
  - jschenk 5y ago
    Not to mention sponsors, sponsored streams, etc.
- BlargMcLarg 5y ago
  Keep in mind this is just what they make which Twitch knows about. Plenty of sponsorships, tournaments and other income streams exist for a majority of these people. On top of that, besides their eceleb status, most of these people aren't that professional. Plenty of them are a combination of variety or casual, often to a degree the person isn't even that good in games in general. Their production quality also isn't anywhere near amazing (note it can be both organic and high quality), and other parties (e.g. Hololive) have shown how easily the space can be disrupted. For those curious, notice how many top streamers still lack actual high quality audio (mostly from their own lack of voice training rather than equipment), proper schedules and sticking to those schedules, high quality video when applicable (e.g. bad light), allow themselves to get devolved in politics, allow their streams to go majorly off-track in general, etc. It's not like these guys don't have the means to drastically improve it. And the obvious: we don't have anywhere as much of a shortage of people willing to play games in an extremely dedicated manner as doing software development.
  - meheleventyone 5y ago
    The other thing for comparison to traditional jobs is the hours worked. Most streamers I follow work insane hours. Then the other bits and pieces they have to pay for themselves. For example taxes employers would otherwise cover and things like health insurance in the US. On production quality, I think it's a mistake to think it matters too much. Live streaming is a different thing to television. In very much the same way Roblox is different to AAA games. There's also a level outside of the more chaotic personalities who make a lot of money in spite of themselves where there is a lot of professionalism going in to making things seem pretty casual because these people know their audience.
    - BlargMcLarg 5y ago
      The hours worked is all over the place really. Some of the top streamers don't work anywhere close to 40 hours or past it. Others grind 10 hours a day for almost every day of the year (often burning out a few years later). A lot of the top streamers do a combination of taking sporadic breaks, streaming only 3-4 hours a session, etc. The other problem with looking at hours worked is it's hard to quantify sporadic interactions on multimedia and the likes. Arguably the biggest drain, most of these people are always "online" and have a hard time unplugging themselves. This is further exasperated by the momentum loss most streamers perceive when not streaming for a long while. >On production quality, I think it's a mistake to think it matters too much But we don't really know that yet. It's extremely hard to quantify all these variables and what truly matters. What we do know is many people in these circles have fallen to the side since they were unable to keep up with the modicum of effort newcomers put in despite their lack of resources and despite the first-mover advantage these old-timers had. At the same time, we see other parties break through with new concepts while putting in a ton of effort to market and PR themselves, and it worked, as seen with the Hololive example. The top earner is (apparently) also much more professional than the majority of the top 10/100/N. >Live streaming is a different thing to television If anything, this is the biggest problem. If beginners are expected/advised to put in much more effort and resources to (increase their odds of) breaking through compared to before, why is it acceptable for someone earning a Silicon Valley-equivalent salary while living in a much lower CoL area to stream in a dank basement or attic with poor audio quality? This isn't a criticism as much as a question. Maybe it doesn't matter. But it's also the question which makes people wonder "should they be earning as much as they do?"
meheleventyone 5y ago
Not really! If you arbitrarily take $50k as a living wage then it's basically the top 2000 streamers who can make a living on Twitch. Random googling tells me there were approximately 8 million active streamers in September. Again arbitrarily assuming that 7 million of those are 'casual' and doing it for fun that means the percentage of streamers making a living wage is 0.002%. Back of the napkin math but kinda depressing. Edit: Someone on Twitter told me that Affiliate status is pegged around the top 3% of streamers. So taking that as my new baseline for "trying to make it" since you can actually get paid out, it raises the percentage to a whopping 0.008%!
- kristofferR 5y ago
  Worthy read: https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/16/17569520/twitch-streamers-zero-viewers-motivation-community https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/16/17569520/twitch-streamers...
  - meheleventyone 5y ago
    Right I take that sort of thing into account by snipping off the vast majority of people active streaming. Basically guessing that only the top million people streaming are actually aiming to make a living wage.
- Miner49er 5y ago
  The thing with Twitch streaming is that you can do it from almost anywhere. So, $50k is maybe a bit high for a living wage. Plus, Twitch is probably just one source of income for many content creators. For many it's not their primary source, but just a side source. YouTube, Patreon, OnlyFans, outside sponsors, or even esports may be where they make most of their money.
  - Loughla 5y ago
    This is a, maybe, long way to get to this, but keep with me. I have always been fascinated by understanding what is edible, useful, or "traditionally medicinal" in the natural world around me. I have spent decades of my life learning about how to use, propagate, and cultivate most plants, animals, fungi, and minerals (not the propagate part here) in an area +/- 100 miles from where I live. I've taught a couple of State University extension classes, and regularly sell at a farmers market the things I gather/grow, just for shits and giggles. People have asked me for years why I don't do this for a living. Why don't I do that instead of working a job that I am neutral to, but that pays the bills. Because all of that sounds exhausting. Needing to maintain a presence on so many platforms, interact with so many people, and constantly be thinking about my next thing for all of the various platforms is just exhausting. I don't know how people can do it without burning out.
falcolas 5y ago
Eh, not always. Critical Roll, #1 on the chart with $4.8M, has 24 credited employees, and who knows how much else backing them up. It’s an entertainment corporation that just happens to run on Twitch.
- theshrike79 5y ago
  This is just one revenue stream, Twitch subs. No Twitch donations, Patreon, merch sales etc.
  - JohnWhigham 5y ago
    It doesn't include bounty payouts and advertising payouts?

lemoncookiechip 5y ago

Fixed, thank you.

trinovantes 5y ago

It seems the payouts follow the power law. Around 100 millionaires, around 2k people at $100k, and the 10kth person at $25k

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throwawaylolx 5y ago

Is that all revenue, including subscribers, donations, ads, etc.? The numbers are not that large considering it's data for almost 2 years and a half. edit: I saw it mentioned in that /g/ thread that these numbers are without the donations.

y4mi 5y ago

your pastebin was deleted. too bad

unraveller 5y ago
https://zerobin.net/?d980fa6cb687ddff#QGGrP+TexGVSbpk9TF2SbwvYW4E/DxMUxTgapCgK5Hk= https://zerobin.net/?d980fa6cb687ddff#QGGrP+TexGVSbpk9TF2Sbw...