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Link to the leak: https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/83691438 https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/83691438 Top 10k Streamers by Revenue: https://pastebin.co
by lemoncookiechip 5y ago
Link to the leak: https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/83691438 https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/83691438
Top 10k Streamers by Revenue: https://pastebin.com/LjmaPNam https://pastebin.com/LjmaPNam
Contains the following data points:
'ad_share_gross', 'sub_share_gross', 'bits_share_gross', 'bits_developer_share_gross', 'bits_extension_share_gross', 'prime_sub_share_gross', 'bit_share_ad_gross', 'fuel_rev_gross', 'bb_rev_gross'
(TTS donations, 3rd party revenue like OnlyFans, Patreon, Amazon Gifts and sponsorship deals... are not included)
Total gross payout in the leak (2019/8 to 2021/10) was 4.2 billion dollars across 344k users. (based on data points above alone but could be wrong since it's annons on 4chan.)
PS: Make sure to change your Twitch (and possibly Prime) password. Twitch is already prompting users to do so based on Reddit posts.
- swarnie 5y agoWagies donating to millionaires is probably the funniest thing i can imagine.
- msie 5y agoI was watching a streamer the other day and she was doing some stunt because another streamer promised her an iphone 13 pro. But now I realize she could buy hundreds of them! Argh. Here i am waiting two months so i could afford to put a down payment on one.
- freeflight 5y agoI don't think it's funny, I think it's sad because most of it comes from the emotional exploitation of parasocial relationships. Something we used to scoff at in places like Asia, now even casual relationships are utterly commoditized and we taught a whole generation of young humans how that's the most normal thing in the world.
- ttctciyf 5y agoPersonally, I do it once a month, to avoid donating to a billionaire. YMMV.
- meheleventyone 5y agoIsn't that the basis of the economy with the increasing wealth gap and so on? It's not really materially different to paying Disney millionaires to go watch the latest Marvel movie.
- swarnie 5y agoMaybe if viewed in a cynical way yes. At least when i donate to blue origin i get something tangible delivered to my door. Where is the value exchange in being one of 10k people building a faux-relationship with a hot tub streamer?
- kdmytro 5y agoMoney transfer does not necessarily mean mutually beneficial transfer of value. Another example of this is theft.
- input_sh 5y agoSame as with paying to see a Disney movie: entertainment. It's just a bit more interactive, since streamers are a bit more likely to interact with you after you give them money.
- MMS21 5y ago>since streamers are a bit more likely to interact with you after you give them money ohwee! the streamer might read out your username along with a scripted line after a 5 dollar subscription!1Eleven
- input_sh 5y agoIs there a point you're failing at making? In my mind it's no different than, say, voting for contestants on talent shows, or paying a camgirl, or pay-per-view WWE events. Same thing targeting a different demographic.
- meheleventyone 5y ago
- TwoNineA 5y agoI "donated" 75$ to see my favorite band two years ago.
- swarnie 5y agoYou "purchased" a "service". Without the payment the service wouldn't be accessible
- slightwinder 5y agoTo be fair, the number of millionaires is overall pretty low in numbers. Just some few dozen worldwide. Most top-streamers "only" earn as much as upper middle-class or less. Compared to other sketchy businesses, this seems relative ok. Be aware that those numbers are before taxes and are not including expenses, which can be quite high in the top league.
- FartyMcFarter 5y agoI have donated to some chess streamers who make fun + educational content I enjoy. I'm fine if that makes them millionaires or richer than me.
- Lamad123 5y agoBillonnaires couldn't exist without such donations!
- zouhair 5y agoIsn't this what we do when we go see a movie or a sports event?
- matheusmoreira 5y agoYeah, it's so absurd it's hilarious. Seeing people make millions of USD for playing games and mentioning others in a live stream made me seriously rethink the value of my own work.
- warent 5y agothis is a tired old complaint and anybody could say the same about pretty much any job that pays more than their own. Telling blue collar workers you work in tech usually gets a nearly identical reaction to what you just gave. etc etc.
- matheusmoreira 5y agoYeah, and what's wrong with that reaction? I'm supposed to just accept this stuff? The blue collar workers are right too. They should be getting paid a lot more. Certainly not less than streamers. It's not fair and I refuse to accept it. Come to think of it, advertisers seem to be a major cause of these distortions. They distort the value of activities that happen to have an audience. Yet another reason to block ads: help restore balance to society by ensuring people are properly rewarded for the actual value of their work instead of how many eyeballs they can summon.
- nlitened 5y agoWhy wouldn’t you start a business, and pay blue collar workers what they deserve?
- matheusmoreira 5y agoBecause that's not the field of work I chose for myself. I do see construction workers on a daily basis though. I also know the owner of a construction company, he's part of my extended family. The wealth disparity between the workers and my family member is obscene. There's no way I'll ever believe they couldn't be paid better wages.
- tisthetruth 5y agoWealth concentration on the twitch model is worse than paying a company. A company does trickle down some of the profits to it's employees. Vs one person on twitch. Then you have the wisdom pov. This money is going to somebody who is most likely less wise, mainly due to age and lack of education and experiences. The quality of the content that is being rewarded and wether its a good influence for society or for the minds of the young consumers is also highly questionable. Just pop open the YouTube home page and then think about what someones mind will be made up of if they consume that linkbait garbage for a considerable amount of time. Then add the echo chamber effect of the internet. It's not a pretty sight. Yet here we are. As a simple heuristic. Look at the view count of the noble minds video vs SSSniperWolf.
- youerbt 5y agoI don't get what's so funny about it. In streaming case, for whatever reason you want to make a donation to somebody, not doing it because they are richer than you seems very strange to me.
- pradn 5y agoIt somewhere between "paying to not see ads" (mechanical) to "being a fan and wanting to contribute to them" (parasocial). I don't think most people care if they're a fan of a millionaire - see sports and entertainment celebrities. Looking at things reflexively through a wealth-inequality perspective is done only by a minority of people.
- anonymouse008 5y agoAre there any consequences for downloading these files? I’d like to learn best practices from a successful company — but not at existential risk.
- Ueland 5y agoDepends on the law in your country.
- madeofpalk 5y agoJust because it at a "successful" company doesnt mean its a best practice.
- ta988 5y agoDepends on your local legislations, but be careful that by default on torrents you are also sharing those files to others so you are also distributing stolen material, so it may have an impact on your potential "crime".
- MrStonedOne 5y agoI saw the payout pastebin, but i'm very curious what the amazon vs stream cut is for sub revenue in particular. This is the key thing steamers negotiate with twitch over, and is covered by the nda. rumor was recently negotiations have been very cut and dry for newer big/up and coming streamers basically being told to take some algorithmically assigned cut or give up partner status.
- dannyw 5y agoThe leak contains much more than this FYI, there's a hundred gigabytes of code and resources from dozens of repositories. Looks like someone dumped everything on their github enterprise. I wonder if this'll lead to software engineers in big companies having more restricted access to code?
- walshemj 5y agoWill depend on company back when I worked for British Telecom, some team leaders with wide access to code & data on some projects had to go through Developed Vetting (TS clearance). Back in the mid 90's there was a issue in Scotland when a well known journalist got a job in a call center and looked up the private telephone numbers for the Queen.
- secondaryacct 5y agoIt s already the case and actually a big fight we re having (company of 70k employees spread everywhere) because we cant reverse engineer our upstream and downstream systems and it leads to huge bottlenecks trying to understand them when issues arise, as we need other teams etc.
- stunt 5y agoMany of those companies still have a few (not always skilled) IT people with access to everything! And they sometimes make it easy for themselves by putting themselves in 2FA exception groups etc.
- hnick 5y agoDozens? The 4chan post said "almost 6,000 internal Git repositories". We don't use git at work (TFS, yay), and we definitely aren't on their scale, but that seems high to me. Do they have a repo for every class? Is this normal?
- BeefWellington 5y agoNote it doesn't say unique git repositories. It could just mean each employee's fork is included in that count, which would inflate the number like that.
- erk__ 5y agoThe revenue in that pastebin have been double counted. The corrected data is here: https://pastebin.com/LjmaPNam https://pastebin.com/LjmaPNam
- pixxel 5y agoWhoa. Is gross per year or since account creation?! Either way these numbers are insane.
- erk__ 5y agoThese are numbers since August 2019 as far as I am aware
- uyt 5y agoInsanely high or insanely low? I actually felt kind of weird that I make more as a software engineer than some of these legit celebrities (not the very top ones of course, but still more than many of the ones I follow or have heard of)
- Shacklz 5y agoI hope I didn't misread the numbers but to my understanding it's just what they get from twitch directly (ads/subscriptions share), most streamers probably make significant amounts in donations on top of that, and probably have secondary revenue streams via YouTube (stream highlights etc.)
- jschenk 5y ago
- astrange 5y ago> PS: Make sure to change your Twitch (and possibly Prime) password. Twitch is already prompting users to do so based on Reddit posts. This is not worth worrying about. If Twitch is making you reset your password, that means you don’t need to hurry because they’ve already locked your account. If your password hash leaked, the important thing isn’t Twitch, it’s every other place you used the same password.
- vsareto 5y agoJust spend 2 minutes and change your password instead of spending 2 minutes thinking about whether you should.
- jeremyjh 5y agoThen you would not be solving the problem because you need to change everywhere else you used that same password.
- corobo 5y agoIf that is the problem you have a different problem. Don't reuse passwords.
- techrat 5y agoReusing passwords is one of the single dumbest things you can do online these days. Do not recycle passwords. Ever. Why? Any breach that involves usernames/passwords are account name and password combos that get tried on EVERY POSSIBLE SITE after. It only takes one pair of username with a reused password for this to work.
- andrewzah 5y agoUse a password manager.
- adolph 5y agoJust don't worry about it and go through the password reset anytime you log in.
- ryanmarsh 5y agoIn the vernacular, I ain't clickin that shit
- boringg 5y agoYou aren't clicking a pastebin CSV file?
- ZetaZero 5y ago81 streamers with 1m+ in revenues.
- boringg 5y agoAm I the only one a bit disappointed by the gross earnings for the top 5 earners given how much the media has ben hyping the money made by e-gamers. For some reason I would have thought they would make more money over 2 years. Top earner was grossing $ 9.6M ($4.8M/yr), 10th was $2.9M($1.4M/yr), at 81 you drop below $1M (500k/yr) on twitch pre-tax revenue. After 81 you drop below the %1M over two years threshold. Actually the more I think about it - that does seem like a lot if you add in their other rev from youtube channels and other compensation. I understand why all the pro players started working on their twitch stream content more than winning competitions. More stable business and viewer base.
- Trisell 5y agoAlso good to note that most streamers have a side donation system that more then likely isn’t included in these numbers. Donations seem to be generally run through a non twitch third party site. And is probably a substantial increase if not a doubling of their income.
- treesknees 5y agoMany of these folks are paid to stay exclusively on Twitch and to not hop around to other platforms, and I don't believe that's reflected here either.
- tiborsaas 5y agoAre you kidding? 4.8M / year is stellar revenue. Much much more than most people make in a lifetime. It's even more interesting that for 50k gross, you have to beat this guy "DEMOLITION_D" at the #4432 place.
- falcolas 5y agoNumber 1 is Critical Roll. Their website lists 24 employees (many of whom are professional actors), and I’m sure there’s more behind the scenes. Salaries add up quickly.
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- Gravyness 5y agoPost was just deleted and the archiver removed the links: https://warosu.org/g/thread/83691438 https://warosu.org/g/thread/83691438, anyone have mirrors?
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- CapricornNoble 5y agoWhat is HN's policy on sharing magnet links? magnet:?xt=urn:btih:N5BLZ6XECNEHHARHJOVQAS4W7TWRXCSI&dn=twitch-leaks-part-one&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.stealth.si%3A80%2Fannounce
- aero-glide2 5y agoMirror : https://archive.is/rGpxh#selection-1335.9-1335.34 https://archive.is/rGpxh#selection-1335.9-1335.34
- aero-glide2 5y agoArchive link : https://archive.is/rGpxh#selection-1335.9-1335.34 https://archive.is/rGpxh#selection-1335.9-1335.34
- jonwachob91 5y agopastebin link is dead now.