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"Economically middle in the road" is somewhat around classic Social Democrat politics Even more conservative parties in Europe are moving that way. Just look

by dagw 5y ago

"Economically middle in the road" is somewhat around classic Social Democrat politics Even more conservative parties in Europe are moving that way. Just look at the Tories in the UK for example, proposing massive government spending plans paid for by raising taxes.

kergonath 5y ago
That’s surprising only if you consider the Tories as being economically liberal. They are conservative in the sense that they look after the interests of the old aristocracy and a coalition of the rich. Their policies are intended to benefit a specific subset of the population. Their taxes (as well as things like the universal credit cuts) are perfectly aligned with that ideology. They don’t have a problem with the concept of taxation, just taxation of the powerful.
- Brakenshire 5y ago
  They increased UC for the pandemic, and then reduced it, much like the Furlough scheme, and both of those policies would have been considered centre or centre-left responses if done by a centre or centre-left party.
- ZeroGravitas 5y ago
  > They are conservative in the sense that they look after the interests of the old aristocracy and a coalition of the rich. I thought this was the literal definition of right wing? The side that supported the king against the democratic will of the people? And is there anyone who has a rhetoric of "less taxes" who actually intends everyone to benefit? That seems like a mirage and it's all done in service of the rich and powerful. Which is a hard policy to sell to ordinary people, unless you wrap it in some cheap bigotry to confuse them.
- slibhb 5y ago
  No it's surprising because austerity was the Tory platform until Boris Johnson.
vidarh 5y ago
The Tories are a coalition of three major faction: One Nation, Thatcherites and Cornerstone. One Nation, which has tightened its control from Cameron onwards, is closer to centrist Christian democrats, who e.g. oversaw expansion of universal healthcare and welfare systems by themselves or together with the left in many European countries. People see this as a departure for the Tories largely because the Thatcherites were in control from 1975 until Cameron.

by dagw 5y ago

kergonath 5y ago

That’s surprising only if you consider the Tories as being economically liberal. They are conservative in the sense that they look after the interests of the old aristocracy and a coalition of the rich. Their policies are intended to benefit a specific subset of the population. Their taxes (as well as things like the universal credit cuts) are perfectly aligned with that ideology. They don’t have a problem with the concept of taxation, just taxation of the powerful.

Brakenshire 5y ago
They increased UC for the pandemic, and then reduced it, much like the Furlough scheme, and both of those policies would have been considered centre or centre-left responses if done by a centre or centre-left party.
ZeroGravitas 5y ago
> They are conservative in the sense that they look after the interests of the old aristocracy and a coalition of the rich. I thought this was the literal definition of right wing? The side that supported the king against the democratic will of the people? And is there anyone who has a rhetoric of "less taxes" who actually intends everyone to benefit? That seems like a mirage and it's all done in service of the rich and powerful. Which is a hard policy to sell to ordinary people, unless you wrap it in some cheap bigotry to confuse them.
slibhb 5y ago
No it's surprising because austerity was the Tory platform until Boris Johnson.

vidarh 5y ago

The Tories are a coalition of three major faction: One Nation, Thatcherites and Cornerstone. One Nation, which has tightened its control from Cameron onwards, is closer to centrist Christian democrats, who e.g. oversaw expansion of universal healthcare and welfare systems by themselves or together with the left in many European countries. People see this as a departure for the Tories largely because the Thatcherites were in control from 1975 until Cameron.